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PollGrumps: Darcness Falls
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Topic Started: May 23 2017, 09:52 PM (795 Views)
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Aexnidaral Seymour
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May 23 2017, 09:52 PM
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| Foreword: I want to thank all of those who came out to take my poll. The sample size was significant for a community like ours, however because of the dynamics of our community polling isn't a science. There's no way to weight numbers to be more accurate of a demographic, and there's no way to know X or Y variables that you can account for in real life. These numbers aren't the end-all-be-all, and it's not the end of the world. You should always take polls with a grain (or whole shaker) of salt. I could run the same poll tomorrow and get wildly different results based solely upon who is turning up to participate. At the end of the day there's only one poll that matters: the voting booth. |
President Darcness Do you approve or disapprove of the way Darcness is handling his job as President?
| Approve | 48% | | -----------------Strongly Approve | ----------20% | | -----------------Somewhat Approve | ----------28% | | Not Sure | 11% | | Disapprove | 41% | | -----------------Strongly Disapprove | ----------24% | | -----------------Somewhat Dispprove | ----------17% |
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Speaker McEntire Do you approve or disapprove of the way McEntire is handling his job as Speaker?
| Approve | 61% | | -----------------Strongly Approve | ----------39% | | -----------------Somewhat Approve | ----------22% | | Not Sure | 14% | | Disapprove | 25% | | -----------------Strongly Disapprove | ----------16% | | -----------------Somewhat Dispprove | ----------9% |
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Decision for Referendum Do you agree or disagree with President Darcness' decision to send the Honored Citizen Restriction Amendment to a referendum?
| Agree | 39% | | -----------------Strongly Agree | ----------28% | | -----------------Somewhat Agree | ----------11% | | Not Sure | 5% | | Disagree | 56% | | -----------------Strongly Disagree | ----------35% | | -----------------Somewhat Disagree | ----------21% |
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Honored Citizens Reform Act Do you approve or disapprove of the Senate passing the Honored Citizen Restriction Amendment?
| Approve | 55% | | -----------------Strongly Approve | ----------30% | | -----------------Somewhat Approve | ----------25% | | Not Sure | 7% | | Disapprove | 38% | | -----------------Strongly Disapprove | ----------23% | | -----------------Somewhat Dispprove | ----------15% |
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How Will You Vote on the Referendum Do you support (want to implement) or oppose (don't want to implement) the Honored Citizen Restriction Amendment currently at referendum?
| Support/For | 56% | | -----------------Strongly Support | ----------30% | | -----------------Somewhat Support | ----------26% | | Not Sure/Haven't Made Up My Mind | 8% | | Oppose/Against | 36% | | -----------------Strongly Oppose | ----------27% | | -----------------Somewhat Oppose | ----------9% |
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Chancellors should not have been left in, but beyond that I approve of it.
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Why is the President sending this to referendum? Clear Senate issue. Darc stick to your new job and let Senate determine own speaking rights
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This is why members with sub-1000 posts shouldn't become President. Instead of doing his job he punts it to avoid political fallout of vetoing or signing. Truly a profile in courage.
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The 'against' camp has no ground to stand on, I feel like Darcness is pandering to a very small and very verbal minority.
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A least a straight up veto would show Darc to be confident. Shying away and sending this to a referendum makes him look weak as a leader. A veto would at least looked like he some leadership skills and had some toughness about him.
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The President should have just signed the amendment. It was a silly choice by him in order to win public favor and favor from his political party.
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I'm still bloody confused as to what the proponents of this amendment actually hope to achieve.
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Both sides are just being stubborn. No one seems to be willing to find any middle ground.
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I have no major qualms with this being sent to referendum, but it was debated to _death_ twice in the CA (see the previous discussion from a few months ago) and the Senate debated it too. I don't know how much else we're going to get out of further debate and discussion
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I don't support this bill, but given the reasoning of the Senate and the MoJ, I'd vote for it in the referendum.
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I wish Darcness would have given a speech or at least stopped in at the state visit.
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I simply cant express how disappointed I am in Darc. I wish I could go back and vote for someone else.
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Pathetic power grab turned amateur hour
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Darcness' painstaking twisting in an attempt to justify why he moved this to a referendum is unbecoming of someone in teal.
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Unexpectedly poor political move by the president; perhaps betraying inexperience for attempted political chicanery
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This is the single dumbest non-issue issue that we have. The president should have just signed or vetod the bill.
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Well...a lot of things have happened between when I started to take this poll and when I finished it now. Originally, I was going to write how this referendum is useless, but now I realize its importance. Who knew procrastination could change your opinion so much?
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This is weak, very very weak by the President. I could not vote for a president who lacks the strength to make decisions that go against a small, vocal, minority. As far as I'm concerned, this is the end of the president's chances of reelection.
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The FEP including the removal of HC speaking right on the floor of the Senate seemed odd at first. It doesn't anymore. It was just a first step. The FEP is staging a populist movement and has chosen HCs as their "billionaire class" adversary. I'll admit. It's clever as all hell.
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not sure how im going to vote on this but i really feel like a referendum is unnecesssary
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May 23 2017, 10:00 PM
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Well, I can't say I'm especially thrilled by these numbers, but here's hoping the voting booth churns out better ones.
Also, I'm amazed so many people seem to be letting this move by Darcness color their view of the man - though he still has more approval than disapproval, at least.
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May 23 2017, 10:10 PM
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I am particularly amused by the comment that lists post count as a deciding factor in determining whether or not someone should be a president. It is easy enough to rack up 1000 posts in the spam zone if you're dedicated; I'm not sure if that is a metric that should be considered.
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May 23 2017, 10:16 PM
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Getting to the bottom of the comments and seeing Aex's sig was the cherry on the cake
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May 23 2017, 10:27 PM
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People are being too hard on Darc. This is a controversial issue that not long ago failed to pass in the CA. It is reasonable to throw it to the People when the President doesn't feel comfortable giving their assent.
This is also something that is getting a lot more attention than it deserves, and I'm ready for it all to be settled.
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May 23 2017, 10:29 PM
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Getting to the bottom of the comments and seeing Aex's sig was the cherry on the cake In fairness, that's how I felt about some of them, especially the "pathetic power grab turned amateur hour" comment which wins the "contextually dubious, yet most dumb" award of the comments.
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May 23 2017, 11:05 PM
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This is almost beyond a broadside of Darcness's choice to send this to referenda. Now, I don't think Darc's choice was correct, but this was awfully and excessively attacked.
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May 24 2017, 02:01 AM
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I think people are drawing the conclusion that the referendum issue has been a broadside in Darcness' popularity. I think, in reality, it's more likely that his popularity has been overstated up to this point. In The Lens polling results, Vice President Darcness had a mode score of 5 and an average score of 6.52. When you translate those numbers to Aex's (far superior) way of asking the question of approval, it isn't that far off.
Then let Darcness inherit a fairly unpopular administration and give him this referendum issue, you see ratings go down a smidgen. I don't think the referendum issue has hit him too badly, however, and I think he has some time to build up his bona fides if he decides to seek another term.
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May 24 2017, 02:13 AM
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I think people are drawing the conclusion that the referendum issue has been a broadside in Darcness' popularity. I think, in reality, it's more likely that his popularity has been overstated up to this point. In The Lens polling results, Vice President Darcness had a mode score of 5 and an average score of 6.52. When you translate those numbers to Aex's (far superior) way of asking the question of approval, it isn't that far off. Then let Darcness inherit a fairly unpopular administration and give him this referendum issue, you see ratings go down a smidgen. I don't think the referendum issue has hit him too badly, however, and I think he has some time to build up his bona fides if he decides to seek another term. HEM makes a good point.
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May 24 2017, 12:42 PM
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The President should have just signed the amendment. It was a silly choice by him in order to win public favor and favor from his political party.
This comment amuses me because this topic has not really been one discussed among those in the Coalition for Responsible Politics. I had asked if anyone wanted to have our own debate or discussion, and I was met with a resounding chorus of "meh."
I do agree that this is a conscious move by the other political party, but to paint the CRP as the "enemy" in this populist brouhaha is misplaced and misguided.
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May 24 2017, 01:01 PM
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The President should have just signed the amendment. It was a silly choice by him in order to win public favor and favor from his political party.
This comment amuses me because this topic has not really been one discussed among those in the Coalition for Responsible Politics. I had asked if anyone wanted to have our own debate or discussion, and I was met with a resounding chorus of "meh." I do agree that this is a conscious move by the other political party, but to paint the CRP as the "enemy" in this populist brouhaha is misplaced and misguided. Yes, one anonymous comment is a conscious move by the FAEP party. You caught us. Don't know how we expected to get that entire move past you.
Also good to know you consider democratic reform populist.
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May 24 2017, 01:09 PM
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The President should have just signed the amendment. It was a silly choice by him in order to win public favor and favor from his political party.
This comment amuses me because this topic has not really been one discussed among those in the Coalition for Responsible Politics. I had asked if anyone wanted to have our own debate or discussion, and I was met with a resounding chorus of "meh." I do agree that this is a conscious move by the other political party, but to paint the CRP as the "enemy" in this populist brouhaha is misplaced and misguided.
Yes, one anonymous comment is a conscious move by the FAEP party. You caught us. Don't know how we expected to get that entire move past you. Also good to know you consider democratic reform populist. Of course, it's not at all suspicious that Leo, the person who introduced this amendment, happens to be the member of a party that supports the removal of HC speaking rights. Obviously just a coincidence.
Maybe it's not populist, but I find it awfully suspicious that the most vocal members in support of the amendment just so happen to be from the FEP. It's true that CQ is a member of the CRP, but Noto, who has made his opinion very clear in the discussion, is not aligned with anyone. So you'll have to excuse the people who find it easy to attribute this whole amendment with a populist movement.
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May 24 2017, 01:17 PM
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Wait, I misread the comment by Mouse. I thought she was saying that the painting of the CRP as an enemy was a FAEP program.
Democratic reform and this one in particular is a FAEP policy plank. Only reactionaries have been against it and to call it populist is incorrect. This process has been supported by our best and brightest HCs.
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May 24 2017, 01:17 PM
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The President should have just signed the amendment. It was a silly choice by him in order to win public favor and favor from his political party.
This comment amuses me because this topic has not really been one discussed among those in the Coalition for Responsible Politics. I had asked if anyone wanted to have our own debate or discussion, and I was met with a resounding chorus of "meh." I do agree that this is a conscious move by the other political party, but to paint the CRP as the "enemy" in this populist brouhaha is misplaced and misguided.
Yes, one anonymous comment is a conscious move by the FAEP party. You caught us. Don't know how we expected to get that entire move past you. Also good to know you consider democratic reform populist. I think she means that support of the amendment is a conscious move by the FAEP, not the anonymous comment.
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May 24 2017, 01:24 PM
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Wait, I misread the comment by Mouse. I thought she was saying that the painting of the CRP as an enemy was a FAEP program.
Democratic reform and this one in particular is a FAEP policy plank. Only reactionaries have been against it and to call it populist is incorrect. This process has been supported by our best and brightest HCs. ...HEM and Lethen? I don't know who else you're talking about since they're the only HCs who support this. Meanwhile, you have Skizzy, Hy, and Drecq who are against it.
You use the word reactionary as if it's a bad thing. Reactionary just means that you're against social reform, something that is not always bad. It's just you in your short-sightedness that can't recognize that you're not always right. You attack people simply because they have a different view than you.
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