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February Midterm Presidential Poll Results; Slide On In
Topic Started: Mar 2 2017, 02:17 AM (1,255 Views)
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Mar 2 2017, 04:59 AM
Legacy presidencies" could actually be a good series of articles. I might look into those.
There's a likely an argument that could be made that the Kraken>Trinnien>Calvin series was definitely a legacy run.
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Some very critical feedback on me, but that doesn't surprise me. I think most of the negative comments in FA were quite unfair to Kuramia, largely.
I agree that the negative comments about Kuramia are quite unfair.

I'm especially displeased with this comment specifically:
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Plagued by communication issues, and the one person who worked for her and defended her was sacked. What are FA's goals? What are we trying to accomplish? It's unclear, and unfortunately Kuramia has not been able to relay any worthwhile information to the public.

It's pretty clear that they're talking about you in that first sentence, Cerian. Do you agree that you have been the "one person who worked for her and defended her"? I'm just curious. I have the feeling you don't but I'm trying to prove a point.
I was hardly the 'one' person. I was (and am) a vocal defender of her, but I wasn't the only person. I think I might have been the most vocal, but I tend to be pretty fucking vocal in general, so that doesn't say much.
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Starting with the "Wasn't Cat Minister" comments -- I know Cat was said to be dependant on Carrot. In a way I guess it's good we advanced from one dependancy to two. Seriously though, I feel like she was given a lot more benefit of the doubt. Now that is partly a different situation, but probably also because I didn't bother with comforting the region and thus (maybe rightfully) seem arrogant, hostile, like an ass, ... It's a pity to read such comments after dozens of hours of work, I imagine that Cat felt objectively the same or even worse when she read those during her term, but why bother with intelligent criticism when it can be funny/trollish.

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I'd rather have Ervald run another awards show than have Pichto run radio. He can't take criticism, has too many childish outbursts, can't organize shows for shit, hasn't put forth any of his own broadcast ideas, is very lowly involved in radio, hasn't performed any campaign promises, and relies way too much on independent content to run radio.


"no own ideas" - There were three own broadcast ideas, which would have been rolled out over the next two weeks. At least two of them should have been in radio by the time of the survey.

"lowly involved" - If editing nearly every show on the showreel since this term commenced, two major organisational efforts, containing the fallout from losing one of the major hosts and organising a few own shows next to several smaller and average duties is low involvement by your standards, then I fear that's your view. I don't share it.

"hasn't performed any campaign promises" -- See below.

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"relies way too much on independent content to run radio" - What isn't independent content? Generally, though, it is an odd argument to make since surely there'd have been more efforts if there wasn't such a steady stream of content.

" can't organize shows for shit" - I really didn't look that good in that regard. When it comes to the EuroToday where my mic suddenly broke or the first townhall, I'll admit own faults. The second townhall revealed structural weaknesses in the format, too, but that one was a lot better on the organisational side. If we could have worked with one of the two previously asked hosts who (unfortunately, and such things happen) had to decline within the last hour of the broadcast, I'm sure that much of the criticism for the second townhall wouldn't have existed.

As for "can't take criticisms" and "outbursts", you will be happy to know that I indeed regularly ask for criticism and always have asked for criticism. It's also a matter of how this criticism is communicated. If it's communicated in a dickish way, and additionally wrong (like half of your statements) by objective standards, then I don't care to rub your back.
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Mar 2 2017, 04:59 AM
Legacy presidencies" could actually be a good series of articles. I might look into those.
There's a likely an argument that could be made that the Kraken>Trinnien>Calvin series was definitely a legacy run.
Yeah, other than WL directly succeeding Sopo, it's the longest succession of VPs to the Presidency I've seen. Kraken ran with Trinnien and Trinnien ran with Calvin.
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now Rach can be a [censored] at times

I don't care what else you guys wanna say under anonymity, this is not okay. Ever.
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I think this is one of the most negative polling comment sections that we've seen in quite a while. Honestly, Calvin and the rest of the polling industry _really_ needs to limit comments to just a few broadstrokes questions. Making a comment on a poll is just throwing a grenade over the wall; if you actually have concerns you should be voicing them in public (as some do, but definitely not all).

I think Aex's administration has been turbulent, but he's also had a lot of bad luck. When faced with things that are in his control, he's tended to make the right call after a delayed period (Pichto's termination being a good example). I also think he's being graded on an unfair negative curve, because many newer members really only know of a President Writinglegend. WL got the opportunity to serve as President five times now, and I think with that sort of experience it's difficult to match.

Assuming the back end of the term turns around, I think this term will be remembered as good, not great.
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I think this is one of the most negative polling comment sections that we've seen in quite a while. Honestly, Calvin and the rest of the polling industry _really_ needs to limit comments to just a few broadstrokes questions. Making a comment on a poll is just throwing a grenade over the wall; if you actually have concerns you should be voicing them in public (as some do, but definitely not all).

I think Aex's administration has been turbulent, but he's also had a lot of bad luck. When faced with things that are in his control, he's tended to make the right call after a delayed period (Pichto's termination being a good example). I also think he's being graded on an unfair negative curve, because many newer members really only know of a President Writinglegend. WL got the opportunity to serve as President five times now, and I think with that sort of experience it's difficult to match.

Assuming the back end of the term turns around, I think this term will be remembered as good, not great.
Well, the thing is, I don't ever want to be seen as censoring the data, because that introduces an element of bias. Which comments do you leave? Which ones do you remove? Comments on the Ministers are useful to know where we're at in the eyes of the public, and I personally like it. The problems are limited to the people flinging mud from behind the anonymity of the poll.
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I think this is one of the most negative polling comment sections that we've seen in quite a while. Honestly, Calvin and the rest of the polling industry _really_ needs to limit comments to just a few broadstrokes questions. Making a comment on a poll is just throwing a grenade over the wall; if you actually have concerns you should be voicing them in public (as some do, but definitely not all).

I think Aex's administration has been turbulent, but he's also had a lot of bad luck. When faced with things that are in his control, he's tended to make the right call after a delayed period (Pichto's termination being a good example). I also think he's being graded on an unfair negative curve, because many newer members really only know of a President Writinglegend. WL got the opportunity to serve as President five times now, and I think with that sort of experience it's difficult to match.

Assuming the back end of the term turns around, I think this term will be remembered as good, not great.
Well, the thing is, I don't ever want to be seen as censoring the data, because that introduces an element of bias. Which comments do you leave? Which ones do you remove? Comments on the Ministers are useful to know where we're at in the eyes of the public, and I personally like it. The problems are limited to the people flinging mud from behind the anonymity of the poll.
I mean you don't include the comment sections. Like, don't have them at all. Or maybe have one at the end.
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I think Comments are a good thing to have, and one comment section risks leaving too much lost in the shuffle. Uses of words like 'bitch' are uncalled for, and unacceptable, but it's also one of the risks we have if we want anonymity in response (which has its own value) and we want comments. We should focus on social shunning of such conduct, not reducing feedback options.
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Probably one of the most annoying ministers I've seen in my time here. Useless pings, always focusing on recruitment instead of integration, completely obtuse and throws a fluster fit when there is criticism, poor management skills, way too egotistical, and now he's running for CA? LMAO. He's one of the shitiest leaders in Europeia at the moment. I don't understand why people think he is so great. Recruitment numbers aren't going to prove how good he is.


I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, but this comment is unacceptable. Constructive criticism is acceptable, but this is not at all constructive. I don't know what goes through someone's mind to think that calling someone a 'bitch' or calling them the 'shittiest leader in Europeia,' but it is simply wrong. Whoever wrote this, I know you don't give a shit about what other people feel, but try to actually act like a human being with a little fucking compassion. I'm tired of people feeling like they're entitled to anything. People who feel like they somehow have the right to say these things for some godforsaken reason. Well it needs to stop, and it needs to stop now. Comments like that shouldn't be tolerated.
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Calvin has a duty to Europeia and its development to not display some of these rather bad statements. I dont care about bias. You damn well be biased if retains people in the region.
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I think simply removing comments from polls would be the best option. We would all be better off if people would simply voice their opinions publicly. If you going to be such a little shit to say some of these things anonymously but not publically, rgw anonymous option should be removed.

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Mar 2 2017, 10:09 PM
I think simply removing comments from polls would be the best option. We would all be better off if people would simply voice their opinions publicly. If you going to be such a little shit to say some of these things anonymously but not publically, rgw anonymous option should be removed.
Conversely I know that there is criticism of some Ministers that did not happen because of fear of retribution. Being seen as a critic can diminish your standing and access. It rendered me unable to participate in a Radio piece that would go on the showreel for example. There absolutely is room for anonymous criticism. However it needs to be responsible and disciplined, throwing out propane and offensive language is bad for our culture and also threatens to silence all anonymous critique.
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For the record, I support the anonymity of the comments and comments in general, but a lot of these are unacceptable. That doesn't mean get rid of comments entirely, but there should be a way of controlling what comments are actually allowed. Not silencing, but removing ones that have vulgar language. The same language that would get someone removed from NS.
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For the record, I support the anonymity of the comments and comments in general, but a lot of these are unacceptable. That doesn't mean get rid of comments entirely, but there should be a way of controlling what comments are actually allowed. Not silencing, but removing ones that have vulgar language. The same language that would get someone removed from NS.
I don't see many if more than two comments with vulgar language but I could be wrong because I'm on mobile. Explicit language I agree could be censored but the sentiment of calling someone a [s--- leader] is not something pulled out of thin air but is a repeated critique of the Minister's focus on numbers that are a waste of time over other matters. I agree that the language is not necessary though.
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