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How Aex Played Me; Op-ed
Topic Started: Jan 29 2017, 12:41 AM (1,444 Views)
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Jan 29 2017, 07:38 AM
No reasonable person would interpret an offer of a GA position in images 1 and 2 as anything other than that. It is something that Aex has said he handled improperly because it is exacly that. A complete aberation from Europeian norms and it is not something we should consider normal.
I must either be unreasonable or not a person then.

In my views the reaction is either naive, in which case I would feel sorry indeed, or a purposeful bashing/villainizing of Aex. Simply because that's been a sport for some time now.
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Jan 29 2017, 07:45 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 07:38 AM
No reasonable person would interpret an offer of a GA position in images 1 and 2 as anything other than that. It is something that Aex has said he handled improperly because it is exacly that. A complete aberation from Europeian norms and it is not something we should consider normal.
I must either be unreasonable or not a person then.

In my views the reaction is either naive, in which case I would feel sorry indeed, or a purposeful bashing/villainizing of Aex. Simply because that's been a sport for some time now.
1. He's president, get used to being a punching bag. :P

2. Yes, it is unreasonable to interpret it as anything else besides a singular offer. That is all. If it were anything but, would Aex admit complete fault? This is just bad management come to light, and that's ok if it's not a pattern.
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Jan 29 2017, 07:36 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 07:29 AM
I don't know how often candidates / presidents tell someone they are the singular candidate and then neglect to tell them that they've gone elsewhere.
But where did he say that Calvin was the singular candidate? You can see the logs; Aex even said they were still narrowing down the field.
When Cal accepted, that was when he should've been told it's not set in stone. Otherwise the inference is obvious.
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Jan 29 2017, 07:46 AM
1. He's president, get used to being a punching bag. :P

2. Yes, it is unreasonable to interpret it as anything else besides a singular offer. That is all. If it were anything but, would Aex admit complete fault? This is just bad management come to light, and that's ok if it's not a pattern.
1. Personally I am; more one of those which swing back though. :p Although I should add it's not like this only just started with his Presidency.

2. I don't think we'll come together on this one then. Maybe we just read things differently. You say it's unreasonable not to see this as singular offer, I say it's either naive to see it as one or this is simply used to bash Aex.

Just like Lethen, I'd rather say it's a bad case of not being careful enough. Others are clearly more adept at keeping such things behind closed doors, or are just luckier that their contacts can be trusted.

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When Cal accepted, that was when he should've been told it's not set in stone. Otherwise the inference is obvious.


Well, it seems like it wasn't to Aex, which he apologized for. Personally I don't think there's an obvious inference either. How others crucify Aex for the apology is literally odd.
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Pichto, while I'm sure Aex appreciates your defense of him, I don't think you're arguing his intentions in this matter is helping, well, anything really.
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I can't know or speak for his intentions.

What I can say, however, is that this article and the discussion evolving around it are, either purposefully or unintentionally, an overreaction -- Which ever so often comes from the same individuals. You are correct that my comments probably aren't helpful, and neither is this whole thing. Truthfully those who villainize Aex will continue to do it either publicly or secretly no matter what is said. I'm just not interested in letting this degenerate into a one-sided celebration of how bad and insidious our President is.
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I'm actually surprised how many people are trying to put this back on Cal. Had this been done to me, I would be livid. It is, at the least, unprofessional and unbecoming of the President.

I appreciate that Aex has apologized for his lapse in judgment, but I can't help wonder why he waited so long to tell Calvin that he wouldn't be the nominee. Had he said something at the start of standing, this whole situation would have been avoided.
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I'll give this a meh for the scandal rating. Both sides were playing a political game with each other. Both made mistakes.

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Just curious: Calvin has his own paper. Why post this in the ENN and not the Panda's Pen?
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Jan 29 2017, 06:35 PM
Just curious: Calvin has his own paper. Why post this in the ENN and not the Panda's Pen?
Publishing this in my paper paints it as a certain type of article, and the feel I want for this article is more ENN than Panda's Pen, if you feel me. Also, I wanted the support of an independent publisher when disclosing this issue.
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Just curious: Calvin has his own paper. Why post this in the ENN and not the Panda's Pen?
Publishing this in my paper paints it as a certain type of article, and the feel I want for this article is more ENN than Panda's Pen, if you feel me. Also, I wanted the support of an independent publisher when disclosing this issue.
Oh, I see. Sounds fair.
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Jan 29 2017, 08:44 AM
I can't know or speak for his intentions.

What I can say, however, is that this article and the discussion evolving around it are, either purposefully or unintentionally, an overreaction -- Which ever so often comes from the same individuals. You are correct that my comments probably aren't helpful, and neither is this whole thing. Truthfully those who villainize Aex will continue to do it either publicly or secretly no matter what is said. I'm just not interested in letting this degenerate into a one-sided celebration of how bad and insidious our President is.
I am growing so weary of this "poor Aex is always attacked" narrative. Aex plays NS for keeps, I respect him for doing so, but since coming back to Europeia I do not believe he has been treated fundamentally unfairly. For instance: betting odds say Aex is about to get his entire Cabinet confirmed, despite the unorthodox picks and questionable management methods used to arrive at those picks. Wheras I remember a few months back a new, eager president who had his first Cabinet picks stonewalled by Aex (and others). ;)

Which is like, fine. But let's not all soak up the melodrama and pretend the world is out to get the man. He just won an uncontested election Jesus Christ. I think Aex has proven he can win without the dramatic pity (cc: Lethen).
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Jan 29 2017, 03:37 AM
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Isn't this code for "increasingly shameful and fetishistic pornography"? :blink:
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Fandom Tumblr.
Isn't this code for "increasingly shameful and fetishistic pornography"? :blink:
Nope.

Is there weird and fetishistic porn on tumblr? Yeah, it's the internet. About the only corners of the internet wherein you can't find porn are places where it is explicitly banned, and sometimes not even then. But fanfiction is not just 'porn' and neither is fandom Tumblr. It's just a lot of people who like a given book/show/movie and want to talk about it, the characters and the themes, etc.

Many of the metas and analyses I have read there have been as complex and deep or more so than some of the best stuff I've read here in Euro and the rest of NS.
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