| Welcome to Europeia! So what the heck is Europeia anyways? Can I join? So, I came here representing another region? I do not want to become a citizen. Where should I go? What offices are there for people to be elected into? What is there for me to do in Europeia? That answers most of my immediate questions. What if I have any more? |
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| Kylia Quilor | Jan 29 2017, 02:59 AM Post #16 |
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Might also be, for me, all the time I spent on tumblr and in fandom these last two years. The enviroment is very different from Europeia, and so how you handle yourself and disagreement is very different - especially in fandom it is easy to see the other side of the argument. So you learn to do it all the time. Plus, I do think I've matured myself in that time. But I have to agree with yout about the way RL can slap you in the face, hard, when compared to NS. |
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| hyanygo | Jan 29 2017, 03:03 AM Post #17 |
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Deary me, tumblr and fandom. You used to podcast on Herodotus (I still have your mp3s by the by --- I knew I'd see you again). F--k me, what a fall from grace. Tuts* |
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| Kylia Quilor | Jan 29 2017, 03:37 AM Post #18 |
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I was always in Fandom. Fandom and Fanfiction was the first thing I spent a lot of time on the internet on. I still do history, I just don't do history as a social matter - my online social life was Fandom Tumblr. |
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| Kylia Quilor | Jan 29 2017, 03:37 AM Post #19 |
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Lol. I think I don't actually have them. That was a computer ago, I believe. |
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| Pichtonia | Jan 29 2017, 04:04 AM Post #20 |
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This is scandalously non-scandalous, I don't get all the hype. Calvin writing an article about how Aex played him, in which he shows how he played Aex? Welcome to Europeia.
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| Common-Sense Politics | Jan 29 2017, 05:50 AM Post #21 |
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Sometimes making the right decision means going back on your word. Sometimes it means being a total dick. That's leadership, in all its imperfection. I'm ironically encouraged that Aex was willing to make what he felt was ultimately the right decision and then own up to being a total dick afterwards. That doesn't mean Calvin's feelings aren't valid. They are. I would feel the same way and I feel for him. I don't blame him for writing this either. At the end of the day, though, his feelings aren't what's important. |
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| Calvin Coolidge | Jan 29 2017, 06:01 AM Post #22 |
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Thank you for the support, CSP, though I feel your interpretation leaves out that Aex made this decision to change Grand Admirals at least once standing started (nearly two weeks ago) and he had his platform ready, since he had already worked with Cat on the platform by then. That's not making a tough call because you're a leader, that's knowing you told two different people they both had the job, but hesitating to tell the other one who was actually getting the job until the last minute. That's poor management. |
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| Common-Sense Politics | Jan 29 2017, 06:04 AM Post #23 |
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That's fair. |
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| Kylia Quilor | Jan 29 2017, 06:08 AM Post #24 |
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I think the moral of the story here, as is often the case in Europeia, is that Miscommunication Kills, to reference a trope. It's a running problem in Europeia, I think - every term when I was active, it felt like we'd run into some sort of snafu, not always involving the government, where better communication could have avoided the snafu. |
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| Lethen | Jan 29 2017, 06:31 AM Post #25 |
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Calvin are we going to get multi-paragraph articles every time your feelings get hurt when it comes to the goings-on of the Executive? ![]() And while I think Aex did drop the ball on telling you sooner that he dropped you from his Cabinet, let's not get too self-righteous here. You were playing politics with him too; it only took me a few chats with a few different people to narrow down the list of "past Presidents" running against him to essentially you. I figure Aex didn't need much more time than that himself. Perhaps subconsciously, maybe Aex didn't prioritize notifying you sooner since he knew you were planning a run against him in the middle of all of this and had sworn everyone save two, three people to secrecy (it did temporarily slow down the Europeian gossip mill ). He may have assumed that this was politics you were both playing, and you wouldn't be as bothered by it as you apparently were or are.Who knows, he didn't write an article about your betrayal and dishonesty for public consumption and instead owned up to his mistakes when called on it (as I'm sure he would have done in private). As an aside, when can I stop rolling my eyes at all the times Aex has been villified in public for playing politics in a political region in a political simulator? Villified by many people who have tried political tactics behind the scenes ranging from threatening to end political careers to fleeing to the borders of regions we are at odds with to making deals for positions. Maybe Aex's mistake isn't poor communication or politicking; maybe his mistake is that it goes public when he should have learned by now how to keep it behind closed doors where we can all whisper about it amongst ourselves with the occasional passive-aggressive references in public. |
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| Calvin Coolidge | Jan 29 2017, 06:41 AM Post #26 |
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Your concern is touching, Lethen. First off, I did reach out to Aex in private, it's included in the final image. He chose not to respond then. Also, I was only "playing politics" in that I was being coy about running for President, since I wasn't even sure of the run myself at that point, and ultimately, it was nobody else's business if I was going to run or not. This is a totally different matter that I think we would all expect to be notified about if something changed. Both you and Pichto implied in your comments that my actions to hide my potential run for President and Aex not mentioning I was no longer in his Cabinet are equal when I think it's pretty clear those actions are not equal. Mine was a lighthearted ploy before a campaign, Aex's was taking away a promised position at the last possible second. It speaks to one of his first acts as an elected President, and shows a lapse in judgement that even Aex admitted was wrong.But please, tell me more how this is just about my feelings getting hurt. |
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| Pichtonia | Jan 29 2017, 07:14 AM Post #27 |
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I'd argue that it makes a difference whether you are vetted for two offices or the one he'd be running against. And if you go into detail that much you should also have noticed that there was no promise of an office included in Aex' messages either. He asked whether you would be willing to do it. You said yes. He didn't tell you that you'd be his GA. Ultimately, you have tried to villainize both Aex and the EPP with most of your publicly available statements here recently. After the Senate election, you blamed the EPP. After you decided not to run, you blamed him and the EPP. And now you villainize him again for something that's, while unfortunate, probably commonly done. I guess at least we don't have to worry about active media if that trend continues. Personally I think it's pretty nice he still sent out a message at all.
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| PhDre | Jan 29 2017, 07:29 AM Post #28 |
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I would say that this is uncommon, if not unique. I don't know how often candidates / presidents tell someone they are the singular candidate and then neglect to tell them that they've gone elsewhere. That level of negligence is not easy to revise into something that is common, as much as I'd like to do so. I think that we have different standards for behavior if you think that this was reasonable - and that Aex is honestly apologizing speaks to the uniqueness of this situation. Sometimes, you screw up big time. This seems like a big personnel screw up that could so easily be avoided.
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| Pichtonia | Jan 29 2017, 07:36 AM Post #29 |
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But where did he say that Calvin was the singular candidate? You can see the logs; Aex even said they were still narrowing down the field. |
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| PhDre | Jan 29 2017, 07:38 AM Post #30 |
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No reasonable person would interpret an offer of a GA position in images 1 and 2 as anything other than that. It is something that Aex has said he handled improperly because it is exacly that. A complete aberation from Europeian norms and it is not something we should consider normal. |
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). He may have assumed that this was politics you were both playing, and you wouldn't be as bothered by it as you apparently were or are.