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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 4 2010, 10:58 AM (393 Views) | |
| Marcus Delamere | Aug 4 2010, 10:58 AM Post #1 |
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Justin, I tried to help you on MSN, I tried to offer you help with your fed, and I tried to tell you why Grinch is quitting, and why Ronnie took a hiatus, and that I could help. Your reply? "Fuck off." So listen, you tooth-missing, pedophile-moustache having, ignorant, mind-altered plebeian. Your fed is a boy's club, and as much as you want it to be a business? It's not. It's not a business, and if you think so then stop having people win matches they doesn't deserve. Stop playing favorites. Stop alienating the best writers in your fed because they're not your friends. You got PARANOID and accused me of things I didn't do (again), and instead of letting me explain calmly how you were wrong, you swore at me and blocked me on MSN. I quit. You are a rude, angry little man, and I am not here to play games with rude, angry little men. Devin Pearce quits as well, because unlike you he has a trait called 'loyalty' and another little attribute called 'respect.' Deuces, Patrick |
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| J. Rish | Aug 4 2010, 10:59 AM Post #2 |
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Good riddance. I hope you never come back this time you fucking douchebag. Ever since you came back to CWF you have been a complete cancer, you messaged what TEN people asking them to join your group and telling them they were "the one" to help you go further? You have started bullshit OOC for the past three weeks. You're just a general, completely manipulating, all-out asshole. Any who doesn't see that must be blind. |
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| Marcus Delamere | Aug 4 2010, 10:59 AM Post #3 |
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Delamere says: (7:16:28 AM) Another HoF on the way out. Plus Grinch and Ronnie are gone now. That sucks. Justin says: (7:16:38 AM) Grinch is gone for sure? Delamere says: (7:16:44 AM) Yeah. He said he told you. Justin says: (7:16:50 AM) umm no he didn't Justin says: (7:16:52 AM) lol Justin says: (7:17:00 AM) Wtf. ![]() Justin says: (7:18:05 AM) Why would he leave? Delamere says: (7:18:09 AM) Grinch? Justin says: (7:18:12 AM) yeah Delamere says: (7:18:16 AM) He felt out of place. Same as Ronnie. Justin says: (7:18:28 AM) Ronnie is supposedly taking a hiatus. Delamere says: (7:18:31 AM) He told me he didn't like what he perceived to be backstage politics that defined how people were treated. Justin says: (7:18:32 AM) Grinch was around what, 3 weeks? Justin says: (7:18:43 AM) Huh? Delamere says: (7:18:53 AM) He said there was too much politics. Delamere says: (7:18:59 AM) That's what he complained to me about since I joined. Delamere says: (7:19:15 AM) I talked Ronnie into staying last week. Delamere says: (7:19:38 AM) He was just going to post the last third of the RP that ended up being posted - the one where he caps it off with 'FUCK CWF' and he was to go on hiatus indefinitely. Delamere says: (7:20:01 AM) I said "Man, work with me, I'll help you, I'll help you write a cool segment that will re-energize your character," and so he agreed and we tried it and he really enjoyed it. Delamere says: (7:20:30 AM) And I told him that things would get better - less multiple-person matches, more 1 v. 1s, he just had to stick with it and wait for the tide to turn. Delamere says: (7:21:11 AM) But when he saw that he's facing me and Devin, especially considering how that makes little sense in storyline for Devin and I, he got disheartened that things would ever turn around. Especially when I told him I was disappointed with having to face him so soon after having worked with him the way we had. Delamere says: (7:22:48 AM) I tried to keep him interested but I think the time just came for him. Delamere says: (7:23:35 AM) To be honest, Brian, Devin and I are getting concerned as well. Delamere says: (7:24:12 AM) After Danny B mysteriously said something made him reconsider our group, and Highlander was straight-up counter-offered out of our group there's a lingering feeling that there's no point in even attempting a stable at this point, and now we're facing each other for some reason. Justin says: (7:25:49 AM) Yeah Justin says: (7:26:14 AM) Well I don't see how the Grinch would think CWF has backstage politics going on unless someone told him just that, we had no OOC problems and he barely talks to that many people. Delamere says: (7:26:44 AM) I didn't say anything. In fact he was going to quit after Wrestle FEst. Delamere says: (7:26:55 AM) Ask Brian. I even added Grinch on Xbox Live to talk to him about staying around. Delamere says: (7:27:33 AM) He told me that 'someone like me will never get over in a place like CWF.' Delamere says: (7:27:44 AM) He said his writing was 'misunderstood', he said he wasn't active in the OOC and that that was why he wasn't popular. Justin says: (7:31:09 AM) Maybe. But if his writing was misunderstood, who were the people who slighted his work to make him think that? Delamere says: (7:31:36 AM) To be honest, Justin. Brian and I were the people who talked most about his RPs, but we also talked to him a lot OOC. Delamere says: (7:31:55 AM) Aside from us, all he really saw was the result of his match. Delamere says: (7:32:39 AM) I dunno. It's easy to let your paranoia get the best of you. Delamere says: (7:33:26 AM) I'm not really feeling comfortable in CWF even. Not with Ross suddenly leaving after I join, not with our stable having gone from confirmed to suddenly cut down, not with all the people quitting and telling me I have no shot. Delamere says: (7:33:47 AM) I'm trying though. I just am beginning to feel like I'm fighting an unwinnable battle. Justin says: (7:35:41 AM) Who said you have no shot? Justin says: (7:35:55 AM) You got a title shot your first week in! Delamere says: (7:35:58 AM) Grinch, for one. Delamere says: (7:36:18 AM) Yes, but to be fair it's mostly because the champion specifically asked to work with me, and I had a title shot my first week in lat time too. Delamere says: (7:36:37 AM) It's not all about title shots either. Justin says: (7:36:48 AM) Yeah I know, but things were supposed to be different this time. And I never had you win the match because of working with Brian, you outrped Ataxia and Grinch. Delamere says: (7:37:17 AM) Sometimes it's just about feeling integrated, trusted. I just, I see my feud with Brian and I realize that when it's over, nobody here that remains wants to work with me. Delamere says: (7:37:44 AM) Elisha hasn't said word one to me since I joined, and he hated me when I left. Jarvis only said one thing and that was 'don't fuck it up, douchebag,' and Cain left immediately upon my arrival. Delamere says: (7:39:42 AM) Hell, even Ataxia suggested last night that I'm not deserving of a title shot against him since I'm not a legitimate contender yet, which is retarded logic since I'm one of two people who beat him. Justin says: (7:39:56 AM) lol Delamere says: (7:42:30 AM) Like I said: I kept Ronnie here as long as I could, and I kept Grinch here as long as I could, but it definitely takes a toll. Justin says: (7:42:41 AM) Yeah, you have no idea. Delamere says: (7:43:14 AM) I think I do ![]() Delamere says: (7:45:23 AM) I had an idea for you if you wanted. Delamere says: (7:45:57 AM) Brian wanted to let Colton Mace get a nice push by facing Ataxia. Let Brian, Devin and I have a three way for the Paramount Title on this week's Massacre, and then we can all move forward to our next feuds and begin the process of trying to branch out. Delamere says: (7:46:25 AM) I think it benefits CWF, since at this point you need to get Desfait in here sooner, as that makes three new bodies (Delamere, Desfait and Pearce) which you desperately need after all the departures. Delamere says: (7:50:17 AM) Besides, you need a lively match to shake this week up. Justin says: (7:50:57 AM) Yeah but I've changed the card a million times already and am getting fed up with it. Delamere says: (7:51:15 AM) As the owner you can't let the roster see that. Justin says: (7:51:51 AM) As the owner, I shouldn't have to cater to the roster. Delamere says: (7:51:54 AM) You need to put the boot down and say "Hey, if they want to quit, God bless. This is MY fed, I AM the fucking President, and each show has a PPV quality card. Justin says: (7:51:57 AM) I make up the card, it should be final. Delamere says: (7:52:09 AM) But that's just it. Delamere says: (7:52:26 AM) It's not a business as you want it to be, it's a family like you also want it to be. Delamere says: (7:52:37 AM) And those things do not go hand in hand, unfortunately Delamere says: (7:52:45 AM) Trust me. I ran a fed too. Delamere says: (7:52:55 AM) So did Brian. So did Devin. Justin says: (7:53:14 AM) I know, but being a family backstage has nothing to do with changing the card around. Delamere says: (7:53:28 AM) It does when they don't know how much it pisses you off to change your plans. Delamere says: (7:53:43 AM) "Oh Justin's my pal. It'll be okie day." Delamere says: (7:54:17 AM) Never once have I ever asked for a week off in 3 years of fedding, because this is a sort of business, and I'm here to do my job well. Delamere says: (7:55:28 AM) If you want the truth, I'll tell you. Delamere says: (7:55:34 AM) The reason Grinch quit was the exact same reason I wanted out last year. Delamere says: (7:56:01 AM) He looked at Cain, Elisha, Jarvis, all the people who mill around the OOC board all day playing games, and he realized they're on top because they've made it that way, and they're immovable objects at the top of the totem poll. Delamere says: (7:56:08 AM) And whether that's right or not, that's definitely the impression that's easy to get. Justin says: (7:56:41 AM) Yeah, especially when it's people like you that give him that impression. Delamere says: (7:56:44 AM) Add to that your friends, and they're almost always in the hunt, and the new people - even if they're amazing writers - seem to be an afterthought - just like this whole Highlander controversy (I have no opinion on how that match was booked, I had no complaints). Justin says: (7:56:52 AM) fuck off |
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| Elisha | Aug 4 2010, 11:00 AM Post #4 |
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You really are an obnoxious little troll. Fare thee well. My one regret is giving you the benefit of the doubt. Edit: as per your transcript, you requested a title shot having been back for a grand total of, what, three matches? Don't you think that's a tad premature?
And as for your claim that the fed "needs" Desfait, let me make this crystal clear: no one person is bigger than the fed itself, with the possible exception of our taco-loving overlord. And you ain't him. End of story. When you were around last time I felt we got on quite well OOC, on messenger and via private messages, and I was glad to see you come back as I felt that with a genuine change of heart you could bring a lot to this fed. Turns out I was a tad naive. Future endeavours, etc., etc. |
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| Marcus Delamere | Aug 4 2010, 11:02 AM Post #5 |
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Elisha, I've got nothing against you mate. Read the conversation above, and think for yourself. Trust me, it feels good. -Patrick |
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| J. Rish | Aug 4 2010, 11:03 AM Post #6 |
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Yep, that was our msn conversation. How does this help your case whatsoever unless you edited the living fuck out of it too? |
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| Marcus Delamere | Aug 4 2010, 11:05 AM Post #7 |
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I didn't touch it. I still have the entire conversation on my computer as well, messenger box still open to prove it's un-altered. You have no reason to snap at me, and that's why I quit. Anyone who reads it will see that I was fully cordial. I have at NO TIME altered anyone's opinion about this fed. Ask anyone - especially Grinch or Ronnie WHO I HELPED STOP QUITTING at several times in the last month. |
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| Alex Cain | Aug 4 2010, 11:06 AM Post #8 |
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Patrick what you have to understand is that you got on a lot of peoples wrong side the last time you were here. Lots of people who gave you the benefit of the doubt and accepted you back despite all the stuff that happened, there had to be a period of paying some dues for you. you admited being Desfait just a week ago, you already had a Paramount title shot, and now just over a week after "revealing" you were Desfait you are hankering to be moved up the card when there are already people and storylines set in motion. You are talented, there is no doubt in that, but you cant honestly have expected to just be welcomed back and shoot up the card. You werent being held back, no one in this fed is held back, everyone who deserves a chance is given a chance. whether they take it or not is another matter. With me going and with most of the "oldies" already gone, there is ample opportunity for a new breed of people to take this fed forward. |
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| J. Rish | Aug 4 2010, 11:11 AM Post #9 |
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Well, this has really blown up nicely. You see, while I could delete that MSN conversation of ours because I don't know it was supposed to be something personal between person to person, I won't. I won't delete it and give you the benefit of the doubt that you were right here. You've been causing problems ever since the very beginning, and when you rejoined it was just a lot more of the same. You don't think it was completely off-base to rejoin here with this big facade that you were a new guy? I have been running this place successfully for over a year, and in the past for almost ten years, and never have I dealt with someone like you. It's pathetic how much bullshit you attempt to cause. |
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| Elisha | Aug 4 2010, 11:17 AM Post #10 |
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I read it (edited my post before I read yours.) And what I see is you requesting a card change for an immediate title shot having not even been here a month; claiming the fed "needs" Desfait back when, in spite of recent losses, we still have a solid roster; accusing Justin of nepotism and favouritism; and generally accusing the entire fed of being against you and Justin as being to blame. None of which, to my knowledge, is true. In spite of what you said in the transcript, I didn't hate you when you left and I don't hate you now. I do, however, believe that you are being unreasonable and needlessly confrontational, as well as accusing Justin of things that simply aren't true. Which is a shame, because I like your writing, and I always felt that we got on fairly well OOC regardless of the problems between you and everyone else. But hey, apparently I'm one of the Immoveable Elite, so what would I know? :rolleyes: |
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| Bucky Johnson | Aug 4 2010, 11:41 AM Post #11 |
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Man, I've been in CWF for like 6-7 months and I haven't gotten ONE title match. You rejoined a month ago demanding a title shot? Is that fair? I admit, the same few people get most of the title shot, but that's because they are amazing and talented writers! I'm not complaining that I haven't gotten a title shot once, because I know that I belong in lower-card matches and that is my role in this business. And I'm fine with that. But I'm sure my time will come eventually. I've waited long and patiently for my opportunity, and soon Rish will realize that and give me a shot. You don't just say to the owner "Give me a title match or I quit". My motto is: "Good things come for those who wait". You need to learn that motto, my friend... |
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| King Nothing | Aug 4 2010, 11:41 AM Post #12 |
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I am Patrick's friend, and while he may seem confrontational and irrational, I've been with him as he tried to keep grinch and McNeil around. I thinkk its bullshit the way he's been treated. More than one of you said "forgive and forget", but the very second you've had the opportunity, you've all pounced on him like hungry wolves. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Patrick was genuinele interested in helping this fed. We had compassion for Rish because CWF has been rocky. Patrick and I have sat up late discussing strategies that can get everyone what they were looking for, whether that be a push, a belt, some recognition, etc... During the past couple of weeks, I've really stepped back and watched as the cards went up without logic, people randomly booked. That takes any momentum right out of someone, especially when they are starting a storyline, and then be thrust against someone who you have nothing to go from. I've watched as the results of matches have been thrown completely awry for no real reason. I don't bitch about any of my losses, so before you think I'm referring to my match with Jarvis, don't. I would have picked him for the win, too. What I am really bothered about is the highlander match. Not the way it was written, but the outcome. As I stated in the comment that was deleted (which is total bullshit, btw, as the review is for our opinions, or afterthoughts, not just a praise Justin thread), Abigail Starr didn't even come close to having the best rp, yet she got the victory. So what I deduct from this is that you can have the best rp, and still not get a win because you're not close enough to the boss, or a fan favorite, or maybe it just isn't in the storyline. The fallacy behind that is this is a COMPETITION. What is the motivation to try to write a fantastic piece that you put your heart into if you have no chance of winning to boot? Highlander could have wrote three words and had the same outcome, but he wrote an amazing piece, probably the best rp that came out this week period, and he gets absolutely no reward for it. That is the politicking that Grinch and McNeil see. That's what Devon Pearce and Patrick see. That is what I now see. This is not the CWF that I joined into. It WAS fair, and everyone was welcomed and perhaps given opportunities, but now it seems as if it's a circle-jerk parading of who's better buddies with the owner. That being said, I am going to follow the lead set by Cain and retire. Deuces, everybody, deuces. |
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| "The Ripper" Danny B | Aug 4 2010, 11:43 AM Post #13 |
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Patrick, I above anyone gave you a chance. We had the ability to work together and make a hell of a team. We got along well OOC and I felt like we got along well as human beings, I truly thought that Delamere would be better than Desfait but I guess that was not the truth. As for this company needing Desfait back? That is not the truth at all. At this moment in time, yes we may have lost some of the better guys in our business, but we have not gone down at all. This past week alone we watched as Ataxia beat one of the greatest in our company to become our new champion, and we have myself and Jace Valentine in the main event at the next PPV. Do you really think that we rely on the oldies at all? I liked who you were one on one, but you have started to cause the same disagreements that you did before, I was a rookie then and had no clue as to what was going on, but now I see what it was all about. We do not need someone to act so childish in this fed, and for the records sake, Justin, as much as we may mock him, is one hell of a fed owner, he cannot help it if people cannot be asked to improve, I stuck in this fed for over a year, improving steadily and contanstly, and now it is paying off. If others do not want to wait to improve, that is their issue and not ours. You know damn well that the only person here with any respect that may stand by you is Brian, and sorry but after the way he spoke about the match I wrote to Justin on the Massacre review lets me feel that he was corrupted by you. I have liked Brian since he came here, and quite frankly King Nothing is one of my favourite characters of all time. I hope no one else wants to be affected by this, and let you just move on with your life. If you want a fed run your way, run your own. See how easy it is to deal with fedders that think they can run the place better than its owners. Many of us veterans here will carry on like nothing happened, and quite frankly laugh about this for weeks, just like we did before. Goodbye Patrick, please save us from this again. |
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| Big Sexay | Aug 4 2010, 11:45 AM Post #14 |
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*Walks in here. Looks around* Hey guys, what did I miss? |
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| "The Ripper" Danny B | Aug 4 2010, 11:47 AM Post #15 |
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Brian, Read the god damn post before. It was my decision to have Abigail get the pin. MINE! NOT JUSTIN'S! the reason I did that was to further the storyline between Big Sexay and her, isnt that the point your on about? Take the issue up with me in the future. Problem is, we dont have arguments here. We did when desfait was on the roster, we do with delamere on the roster. Time to cut our losses and move on. The next step in CWF starts here, without any petty, pathetic arguments. |
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| J. Rish | Aug 4 2010, 11:52 AM Post #16 |
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Thanks a lot for sticking up for me guys, I really appreciate it. I have shown you Brian, Patrick, and everyone else the upmost respect in your times here. If you want to start a rant on how unfair this place is, then go away and find somewhere better. We have worked as a unit for a long time, I have tried to get along with absolutely everybody, and people have gotten title shots whether they're a veteran of CWF or a brand new member. I mean we have Patrick complaining about title shots but BOTH times he was in CWF he won a title shot his first week in! Ataxia is the World champion after only two months of being in the fed. Point me to another one of your misconstrued facts that I'm so fucking partial to my "friends". |
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| Jarvis King | Aug 4 2010, 12:33 PM Post #17 |
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So, before I get to the main event, I'll quickly say to King Nothing that I'm sorry you were taken in by a snake charmer. Later days. Anyhow, I guess the joke conversation I had with Ross a few months ago was more than correct. I guess I'm a politicking douchebag with no real talent who hasn't worked damn hard to improve and get my spot. I guess that since I returned after my short hiatus, I've been pushing for a title shot. I guess that you're right, Patrick. I guess that I've only treated you like a douchebag and I've told Justin that working with you would be a dealbreaker. Fuck off. You know what, I've been willing to give you a shot. Hell, I don't see how "don't be a douchebag" was a bad thing to say. Like has already been said, you left a really, really bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths. How is "Keep up the way you've been acting and I doubt we'll have an issue" anything other than giving you a second chance? Well, if you fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice...well, you know the rest. Before you start, yes, I read the whole MSN conversation. I refused to even respond in this thread until I had read all the replies before me. I've read it, and thought about it, and, from my reading of it...you're an entitled little prick. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt; ask Ross, the biggest of your detractors - I had said good things about you, said that I geniuinely thought you changed, said that he aught to give you a shot, said...well, the list goes on and on and on...and I was wrong. You know what? Perhaps Justin didn't do the best he could to keep you around, but losing your two characters really isn't a loss that any of us are likely to miss. You're not the saviour that you seem to think you are; you're not the pin holding the whole fed together. You're just another writer, man...a good one, sure, but you're not the great peacekeeper of the fed that you make yourself out to be...quite the opposite. You are a shit disturber and a politician worse than you claim me, Ross, Jon and others to be. You're also a creature of habit. Last time you were around, you pissed a group of people off who, yeah, were well liked around the fed. (And yeah that matters, but not in the way you want it to. Co-operate and not be an ass and you're likely to have people to work with. If you're talented as a writer, you're likely to do well.) What happened? You started buttering up other people in hopes of us defending you, or perhaps walking out with you. This time, thankfully, you took the rest of the cancer with you. You're an entitled, smarmy prick who sucks the metphorical dicks of his friends around these parts. In case you need an example, here goes:
Now, Nothing's post was alright, but from reading that...you'd think he wrote The Republic, War and Peace and Hamlet and then put them in a compendium of his "B" stories. Anyhow, fuck off, good riddance, and peace the fuck out. |
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| Bucky Johnson | Aug 4 2010, 12:36 PM Post #18 |
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Patrick I made you a shirt... <img src='http://www.tshirt-reviews.com/images/ups/Weve-Never-Met-FUCK-YOU-ANYWAY--Fuck-Tshirts-Weve Never Met FUCK YOU ANYWAY.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'> |
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| Big Sexay | Aug 4 2010, 12:37 PM Post #19 |
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Alright here Is the deal: 1st of all for being an adult delamere this is a very junior high way of quitting. Yes I had a little problem with the result from this week but I kept it private and settled everything with Justin in private. That's what adults do The great thing about this game is that there are Many of them out there. If you aren't happy then why stay right? So you quit. That's fine. Keep it private and bow out graciously. But if ut was like that last time why come back? Obviously something Justin is doing here was good enough for you to rejoin. I hope you are not like this in real life because it is sad that a grown ass man has to act like a child. If you aren't happy with something quit like a man. Don't blast everything all over the boards. That is something a child would do. Would you appreciate that on the set of your movie? I don't have a problem with you or anyone else. But I do have a problem with adults acting like children |
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| Jezz | Aug 4 2010, 01:06 PM Post #20 |
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Hi Patrick, I'm wondering why I have come on here and have happened to wonder past you ranting on and on and on and on. If your leaving....just go. If your not happy with this fed.....just go. If you ran a fed before then why are you not still doing so? Why come in to CWF and try and change it? If people want to leave then they want to leave. Just let them get on with it. I can understand your point of view, but you have gone the wrong way about it. There are people who are truly loyal and put their thoughts forward without destroying the atmosphere of a piece of hard work. As for the Gauntlet match, I sat here and watched Danny make that choice himself and he freely holds his hands up to that decision and would still not change his mind. He has stated his reasons, which by the way seems to be the point that you were making. You did say above about expanding on storylines, well thats what Danny did. If you want to have a moan at anyone about it then take it up with him and ACTUALLY FUCKING ASK HIM. Dont fucking lair up at people when you dont have any reason to be that arsy. Its not the end of the world if someone doesnt get to win for ages especially if a storyline finally gets the chance to start. You really do know how to contradict yourself. You have a moan about people having random matches but then talk about how no-one gets a chance. Some people have been given the chance to expand in a new direction and then you moan. Yes its a competition but how on earth are people going to learn unless they get knocked down a few hundred times. The point is that the people are spurred on to want to win, therefore becoming better. I heard about you before and the trail you left behind. Why did you think that your acceptance back was with open arms and that people wouldn't be wary about you. If anything people have now had their suspicions confirmed. Why come back and demand things that others haven't been given an oppotunity at? When you come back you should start out at the bottom again, especially with your history. You talk about politics getting in the way but from what I have seen over the past 6 months (and that is enough) you have been the one creating a chasm never mind a divide. You say that you treat it as a business but doesn't a business usually entail some form of monetary value being involved? And the whole idea of business is that when the big guns leave, others get a chance. At the end of the day this is a sodding hobby and should be treated as a hobby or general experience for bigger things. Look I can counteract everything you say because I'm a believer that loud mouths like you get what you deserve. Laugh all you want but the fact you have started something so childish just makes me thankful that my 3 year old is smarter than you and acts like an adult when he is faced with wanting his Toy Story R/C Car. |
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