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What is state, what is the difference between a man and a person and on what is relationship between a man and a state based on? What is currency, how does monetary system function and why is money issued and distributed in this exact way? It is really strange that the wider audience that has recently been disgusted with bank robberies now starts to justify such acts.

How much is a life of a single citizen worth to a country, and how much to himself? How much is a million dollars worth to a man in desert, and how much a glass of water? How much is a kilogram of diamonds worth to a man on a deserted island, and how much one decent lunch? How much is a fridge worth to an Eskimo, and how much a heating unit? What is happening with a concept of value if instead of "how much" we ask ourselves "of what" and "why that in particular" as a crucial question? Is the ultimate success we all strive for to be rich or to be happy? What about a marketplace of products and services where everyone can express the value in anything - what do you think about that, how much compatible with fair trade principals is this way of business?

They say that the difference between science and corrupt science is in the fact that in corrupt science the results are already known in advance. Why evil people do evil things is not hard to understand, since it is a character flaw, but a question why the good people do bad things presents a real mystery. Or answer is more obvious now then ever before in the history of our civilization?

During the actual global financial crisis, ever more popular slogan: “Give man a gun and he can rob the bank, but give him a bank and he can rob the world” started circulating on the Internet. Many factors indicate that walking between the two worlds has finally lost every sense and that humanity is ready for transition. “We are sick of slow burning on a hologram fire, one-way ticket to happiness is in our pockets”, can be smelled at every step – from Zeitgeist ambient, to various alternative sites, all the way to social networks as Facebook and Twitter. There is no doubt that the way to the promised land leads trough monetary reform, but in what way should we restart global monetary system and how does the happiness that will take place all over the world after the transformation of society looks like from your perspective?

Spiritual evolution to which knowledge, freed of all hipno-dogmatic burdens, will lead us is a process followed by a blossom of love and cooperation. Or is it a wrong perception of the Free Planet to which we, if we really, strive? Financial independence as a part of a fair socio-economic and ecologically sustainable new system is maybe an option that should not even be considered in respect of happiness?





Now when the purchase power of the population and business sector have remained without fuel, complementary currencies, local currencies, alternative currencies, i.e. unconventional payment systems and exchange systems are becoming ever more interesting and popular option.
Anent upcoming “First International Conference on Social Transformation” this July, not quitting its principles, Crom Alternative Exchange Association publishes in advance the material with which it will present itself on that important event whose topic is transition into a better socio-economic future. In that way, by allowing everyone to express its opinion on our coming collective future currently entwined between debt horror and radioactive insecurity from Fukushima, the point of upcoming conference takes a wider dimension and much deeper significance:

Global Monetary Reform And The Transformation Of Society

Icelandic Anger Brings Debt Forgiveness in Best Recovery Story

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-20/icelandic-anger-brings-record-debt-relief-in-best-crisis-recovery-story.html

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Iceland’s special prosecutor has said it may indict as many as 90 people, while more than 200, including the former chief executives at the three biggest banks, face criminal charges.

On tonight's episode of "The Simpsons," Homer Simpson plays Jesus in the First Act portraying The Passion. At the End of the episode Homer appears again as Jesus Opening a Money Lending Facility. He says to the crowd "Welcome Money Changers" and is struck by lightning to which he says "Are you gonna do that every time I open one of these?"

I wonder...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xPSsQkTnx4

Secret of Oz plug at 10:49!

If this is too far off the subject of the forum you can remove it but it looks interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSW1LcfEOh8&feature=player_embedded

If you are locked into indebtedness with banksters take a moment to read the following and decide for yourself whether or not they still hold the original instrument of indebtedness that binds you to the debt. As demonstrated in our example below its HIGHLY likely that they dont. Reasons for this vary due to the fraud being perpetarted by the banking industry these days but put quite simply, No ORIGINAL Contract - No Debt!

http://www.mindwarpsectorfour.com/creditcard.html

I found this over at http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1855428/pg1#30932927

Anyone want to take a stab at checking how accurate these numbers are?

(For the record, I'm not in favor of Obama, Romney, Paul or any other candidate other than Bill)

50 Accomplishments of President Obama

(1) Illegal Fast and Furious – Operation Gun Runner
(2) Stopped the Keystone pipeline project that would have created thousands of jobs
(3) Gave half a billion tax payers' dollars to Solyndra
(4) Bowed to foreign dignitaries
(5) Increased our deficit over 40% in 2 1/2 years
(6) Backed release of Lockerbie Bomber
(7) Offshore oil drilling moratorium
(8) Soaring food and gas prices
(9) No shovel ready jobs
(10) The downgrade of America’s credit rating (first time in American history)
(11) First time in American history over 42 million Americans are living in poverty
(12) Never passed a budget (first time in 34 years)
(13) America drops to 5th place in global competitiveness
(14) Over 400,000 small businesses closing every year under Obama
(15) Our debt has increased $4,247,000,000,000 in just 945 days! (that’s the fastest increase under any president)
(16) No summer recovery
(17) Federal government suing states and states suing federal government
(18) Pressured retired general Shelton to alter his testimony
(19) Enabled the largest number of home foreclosures
(20) Turned America into the largest food stamp nation
(21) Filed lawsuit against Arizona for enforcing immigration laws
(22) Force a trillion dollar disaster, called Obamacare, down our throats without even reading the bill
(23) Increased unemployment despite 'stimulus package'
(24) Appointed a tax cheat for Secretary of the Treasury
(25) Appointed over 34 unelected 'czars'
(26) Rebuffed subpoena on failed solar firm
(27) Through Justice Department's Attorney General Eric Holder, turns a blind eye to voter intimidation by the Black Panthers, then justifies with racial comments
(28) First president to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect
(29) First president since the beginning of U.S. space program to terminate America’s ability to put a man into space
(30) First president to tell a major manufacturing company in which state they are allowed to locate a factory
(31) First president to propose an executive order demanding companies disclose their political contributions to bid on government contracts
(32) First president to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years before
(33) First president in American history with a socialist, radical, anti-American past
(34) First president in history to create more protesters then jobs
(35) First president to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places
(36) First president to enact over 4,000 new anti-business regulations
(37) Made a website called Attackwatch (a site that would make Karl Marx proud)
(38) First president to attempt to fill a cabinet with avowed Communists, such as Van Jones
(39) First time a president supported protesting mobs of anti-capitalists, union thugs, Marxists, and anarchists whose protests bankrupted major cities
(40) The national debt has increased 4.2 trillion dollars
(41) National debt now 15 trillion dollars
(42) The USA spends 4.2 billion dollars more than it takes in
(43) 25 million jobs lost but he has added 140,000 to the government payroll
(44) Added 3 million more Americans living in poverty
(45) 4 million more bankruptcies
(46) 2.4 million homes foreclosed
(47) Gas prices have risen more than 80%
(48) Health insurance premiums up 13% http://archive.chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2010/06/study-individual-health-premiums-up-13.html
(49) First president in history to have all his records sealed
(50) Takes record amount of contributions from Wall Street

A new video from Positive Money :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3mfkD6Ky5o&feature=player_embedded

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When money drives almost all activity on the planet, it's essential that we understand it. Yet simple questions often get overlooked - questions like: where does money come from? Who creates it? Who decides how it gets used? And what does that mean for the millions of ordinary people who suffer when money and finance breaks down?

97% Owned is a new documentary that reveals how money is at the root of our current social and economic crisis. Featuring frank interviews and commentary from economists, campaigners and former bankers, it exposes the privatised, debt-based monetary system that gives banks the power to create money, shape the economy, cause crises and push house prices out of reach. Fact-based and clearly explained, in just 60 minutes it shows how the power to create money is the piece of the puzzle that economists were missing when they failed to predict the crisis.

Produced by Queuepolitely and featuring Ben Dyson of Positive Money, Josh Ryan-Collins of The New Economics Foundation, Ann Pettifor, the "HBOS Whistleblower" Paul Moore, Simon Dixon of Bank to the Future and Nick Dearden from the Jubliee Debt Campaign,

Ellen Brown
http://www.webofdebt.com/

She's probably the most well known debt-free money advocate beside Bill.

Kill The Empire

He used to post here on the forum, though I haven't seen him around lately.

http://killtheempire.blogspot.com/

Here's his forum profile:
http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/profile/223077/

Anthony Migchels' "Interest-Free Economics"
http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/interest-free-economics/

I haven't read his entire site but he seems to be on the right track. If you find something wrong on his site please post about it below.

From his site:

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/about/

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My name is Anthony Migchels. I live in Arnhem, the Netherlands. I am married and we have twin sons.

Waking up to the Money Power after 9/11, I started the Gelre, the first regional currency in the Netherlands.

This blog raises awareness of monetary matters, most notably the nefarious implications of interest, as a way of empowering people and the commonwealth in their struggle against the Money Power.

My basic statements are these:
Usurious Usurpation
The Goal of Monetary Reform
On Interest
Mutual Credit, the Astonishingly Simple Truth about Money Creation
Disconnecting from the System
All of my articles and most of my actions can be understood in the light of these.

A comprehensive critique of Austrian Economics can be found at ‘Faux Economics’.

Post other people you know of who are correct about debt-free money!

The main problem with monetary reform is it's filled to the brim with false solutions, trojan horses and various traps that trick people into supporting ideas that do nothing but put them in even deeper slavery to the money cabal.

The chief trojan horse concept is the gold standard which Bill's videos have proven over and over is not a solution but which is what the banks are convincing the world it needs, by way of useful fools like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul certainly isn't the only gold standard cheerleader. The entire field is overflowing with authors and TV personalities leading people in the wrong direction. It would be great to have a list of these people along with explanations of what is wrong with their approaches, so that whenever someone starts spouting off their disinformation they can be instantly disproven with a link.

So I'll be posting a list of all the trojan horses the banksters are proffering up that I can find in this thread. Feel free to post your own entries.

1.) Saint Ron "Defender of Freedom" Paul - (Who didn't bother to vote on the fascist NDAA or CISPA bills)

Ron Paul's "sound money" really is a gold standard in disguise
http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/topic/1177410/1/

Ron Paul and the Gold Standard
http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/topic/8814529/1/

RP: "There's nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency.... "
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=425&Itemid=60


2.) Ed "Goldbug" Griffin:
Bill's "Response to Ed Griffin"
http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/topic/1176960/1/

Goldbug Griffin demonstrating that he doesn't realize that as soon as you make gold good for the payment of taxes that you've done so "by fiat" and therefore a gold is a fiat money.

http://www.gold-speculator.com/appenzell-daily-bell/5874-g-edward-griffin-discusses-federal-reserve.html
"Fiat money (the kind without precious-metal backing) is not wealth. It can be called wealth or capital or whatever you want to call it; but, true wealth is measured in terms of tangible assets with intrinsic value, which means they have characteristics that give them value even if they were not used as money. Gold or silver as money, therefore, has the advantage of being money and wealth at the same time."

If the government issues tariff credits as money, those credits have intrinsic value and work perfectly well as money. The same is true for when Disney issues paper admission tickets to its parks. Those tickets have value and there's no need to make the tickets out of gold in order for people agree to exchange value for them.


3.) Lyndon LaRouche

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement
"New Bretton Woods. Advocates the abandonment of floating exchange rates and the return to Bretton Woods-style fixed rates, with gold, or an equivalent, used as under the gold-reserve system. This is not to be confused with the gold standard, which LaRouche does not support."

This is obvious doublespeak. Either the money supply manipulated by the price of gold or it isn't. New Bretton Woods is just another form of Ron Paul's "Sound Money" which, as shown above, is a scheme by which the banks can rig the economy via fractional reserve lending of gold reserves. It therefore would have the same negative effects on the world as a gold standard.

Bill's thread on LaRouche:
The Truth About Lyndon LaRouche
http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/topic/1177346/1/


3.) Peter Schiff - Direct quote: "Well, the gold standard works."
http://peterschiffblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/gold-standard.html

Odds Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, etc are controlled opposition?
http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/topic/8747767/1/


4.) The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/the-john-birch-society/the-best-way-back-to-a-gold-standard

"Lewis says there is a third option: Simply replace the currency with another one and make it redeemable in gold at some arbitrary value that the present gold supply would support. He points out that although the dollar is weak and getting weaker, few are ready for this. This option would apply only after the complete destruction of the dollar, something similar to what happened in the German Weimar Republic in the early 1920s. So that option isn’t feasible either. At least not yet."


5.) Ludwig von Mises and Austrian economists in general

http://mises.org/quotes.aspx?action=subject&subject=Gold%20Standard
"The gold standard was the world standard of the age of capitalism, increasing welfare, liberty, and democracy, both political and economic."

There are lots of pro-gold standard quotes on that page. The above is one of the more silly ones. As Bill points out, the British empire was built on fiat tally sticks, not a gold standard. When they abandoned tally sticks, they entered into a long series of profitless banker-created wars.

Frank Shostak, writing for mises.org:
http://mises.org/daily/6003/
"This is precisely why the gold standard is so good: it prevents the authorities from engaging in reckless money pumping"

This of course depends on who you mean by "the authorities". Certainly it prevents the elected government from money pumping. It doesn't prevent the unelected banksters from money pumping. Via fractional reserve gold lending banksters can pump and dump currencies at will, creating boom and bust inflation/deflation cycles over and over, as Bill's videos show.

Feel free to post links to other prominent goldbugs, monetary trojan horses and disinformation outlets you find.

(This was the 911th topic on this site!)