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Wrestlemania 25 Review; Yeah.
Topic Started: Apr 7 2009, 08:26 PM (863 Views)
Joker
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Just half? I was off by a quarter then...
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Apr 15 2009, 05:24 AM
Well, Kok, a smark would have to mean a smart mark and well let's face it you're just people who think you kno wat ur talking about which u think makes u smart but nah its tha complete opposite of smart. Anyways bullshytt to tha syde i was on coke yesterday so i was just blabbering anytthing that kame to mind so u phuckkas cant blame me for that but well since i said it i mite as well flow with it rite. Oh i am using a blackberry btw so aha i got ur ass on that one punk bytch.
Sorry..........who are you ?

Furthermore, in what way are you able to estimate what people know ? Like all sports, and most subjects in the world, wrestling is a tangible experience with the potential for the composition of good matches via the conduit of ability, artistry, experience and athleticism. As such, matches and peoples abilities are open to justifiable analyzation and critique through any intelligent person and/or with an experienced eye.

At the base of the truth here is the simple fact that your a pathetic, unintelligable fuckstick who feels the need verbalize his drug consumption in some insecure, self-doubting and misplaced fashion.

For the purpose of a comparison between you and someone who 'is the opposite of smart' and hides behind their computer, like me apparently, I'll state that Ive just posted this from my Blackberry in the immediate aftermath of rattling through an entire gram of nose jazz.
Edited by euanzooom, Apr 15 2009, 04:01 PM.
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Sorry to double post........

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He's easily the best in the company right now, and has been for some time


Way off the mark here, Donny, sorry.

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biggest matches are constructed in a way that comes across as more believable


Michaels is nowhere near being the most believable person in the company. The opposite is true infact. It's more that, over a long period of time, you've been conditioned into getting used to the way he overacts.

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ability to tell a story through the exchange of maneuvers and big-time spots with his opponents


His matches are more believable than others because of the way he does big time spots ? I dont see how this can be true, swappage of finishers and big spots very rarely differ from the same re hashed reversals and moves and I dont see any way in which Michaels does it differently from plenty of other workers.

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Of course, it does help to be in the ring with someone who is just as much of a veteran as Shawn, in Mark Calloway, as they both should have an equal understanding as to what makes a great match at this point in their careers.


Bang on.

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Both men are arguably better now than they ever were in their prime


Do you mean physical prime ? Otherwise, if your statement is true then they are both in their prime right now! I'd say Undertaker was at a disadvantage in his physical prime as his character had severe restrictions on how it could 'wrestle' a match. Michaels has had the benefit of getting to wrestle tens of seasoned, and talented, wrestlers in the latter part of his career. In his physical prime, there was fuck all to play with, and he wasnt booked like he is now ie.............. to deliberately go out their and try to wrestle a 'classic'

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I know I've said this a couple times already, but that match was the sole reason that I ordered the show


Bang on.


I'm not saying Michaels isnt a terrific performer that produces exciting and well thought out matches, with the odd classic ie WM v taker, however, he's vastly helped out by, as you said, his experience and also because the crowd have invested so much emotion in him over the years that they always produce heat during his matches. If you break his components down, a lot of them look really bad and i guarantee this would be far more noticeable, and some of his good matches would come off weak, if you removed the heat he garners.
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to deliberately go out their and try to wrestle a 'classic'


Yup. I would never say Michaels is the most naturally talented wrestler, but I think Don is right when he says he's performing at a higher level than anyone else, i.e. he's had better matches than anyone else, and this explains why. If you put Finlay in the same position, he'd have a better match, but it wouldn't be as marketable.

Michaels' prime might actually be when he was in the Rockers?

Euan, who is the best right now?
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Apr 16 2009, 11:01 AM
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to deliberately go out their and try to wrestle a 'classic'


Yup. I would never say Michaels is the most naturally talented wrestler, but I think Don is right when he says he's performing at a higher level than anyone else, i.e. he's had better matches than anyone else, and this explains why. If you put Finlay in the same position, he'd have a better match, but it wouldn't be as marketable.

Michaels' prime might actually be when he was in the Rockers?

Euan, who is the best right now?
Thanks, Of. That's what I was trying to get at, more or less...

And if we're talking physical prime (I was referring to professional prime, or the complete understanding that one would/should have at a certain point in their career, because Shawn has clearly done so by now), I'd say HBK's was from 1995 up until his injury in the casket match against The Undertaker at the 1998 Royal Rumble. It was during those years that he put on some of the greatest matches of his career (Ladder matches vs. Razor Ramon, Iron Man vs. Hart, Hell In A Cell vs. 'Taker, etc.).

I wanted to ask euan the same question without coming off as confrontational. It's not that I would necessarily disagree with his response more than I'm just curious as to what he has to say.
Edited by Don Carlos, Apr 16 2009, 10:33 PM.
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Firstly, its not to say that it couldnt be argued that Michaels is the best in the company.

Secondly, Im not entirely sure if Donny is meaning 'worker' or all round package or whatver.

However, I respectfully dont think you can say that Michaels is 'easily the best in the company'.

In terms of all round package, Jericho has been doing everything to perfection since his heel turn. Undertaker has produced extremely good work when allowed - his match with Michaels, his series with Edge, his matches with Batista were far better than they should've been, his matches with Big Show were superbly conducted brawls. Mysterio, when given the chance, is an equally good performer and even the end of the chamber match at NWO out showed that, not only the level of his abilities, but also that if put in a position that is similar to the kind Michaels often gets, he can draw the crowd in just as much. Edge, whilst suffering under Vicki Guerrero slightly, consistently pulls out as many good matches year to year and is not noticeably worse a mic person. Suffice to say, I think its an extreme slight on quite a few people to say Michaels is easily the best.

In terms of being a worker, then I'd say this is even less clear. Booking and perceived wrestling ability are intrinsically linked. In a WWE world of restricted movesets, short screwy matches etc it can be difficult to shine in this fashion. Michaels is someone that gains a hell of a lot out of the booking. he's offered repeated chances to go out and put on decent matches which very few others get.

Jack Swagger v Christian is a good example. Here, they WERE given the chance to put on a good straight up match of decent length. And it was more than good, it was excellent. Looking at Christians work in this match, it stands up to Michaels in every way. Infact, the offence is better, the selling of the arm is better than Michaels would ever do, and the matches run in is executed perfectly.

As I said, Michaels pulls it out with experience and having a crowd already invested in him before the bell even rings. He knows how to construct an exciting and perfectly paced match. I just wouldnt say he's comfortably the best in WWE today.

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Than who is the best euanzooom? Jack Swagger? Christian? Ha don't make me laugh.
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You've just proved how much of an idiot you actually are.

Either that or you simply saw the words 'Christian v Jack Swagger', didnt bother to read the rest, and just waded in with your pointless opinion.

Being an idiot is probably the lesser of the two crimes so you can just select that one if you want.
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Firstly, its not to say that it couldnt be argued that Michaels is the best in the company.

Secondly, Im not entirely sure if Donny is meaning 'worker' or all round package or whatver.

However, I respectfully dont think you can say that Michaels is 'easily the best in the company'.

In terms of all round package, Jericho has been doing everything to perfection since his heel turn. Undertaker has produced extremely good work when allowed - his match with Michaels, his series with Edge, his matches with Batista were far better than they should've been, his matches with Big Show were superbly conducted brawls. Mysterio, when given the chance, is an equally good performer and even the end of the chamber match at NWO out showed that, not only the level of his abilities, but also that if put in a position that is similar to the kind Michaels often gets, he can draw the crowd in just as much. Edge, whilst suffering under Vicki Guerrero slightly, consistently pulls out as many good matches year to year and is not noticeably worse a mic person. Suffice to say, I think its an extreme slight on quite a few people to say Michaels is easily the best.

In terms of being a worker, then I'd say this is even less clear. Booking and perceived wrestling ability are intrinsically linked. In a WWE world of restricted movesets, short screwy matches etc it can be difficult to shine in this fashion. Michaels is someone that gains a hell of a lot out of the booking. he's offered repeated chances to go out and put on decent matches which very few others get.

Jack Swagger v Christian is a good example. Here, they WERE given the chance to put on a good straight up match of decent length. And it was more than good, it was excellent. Looking at Christians work in this match, it stands up to Michaels in every way. Infact, the offence is better, the selling of the arm is better than Michaels would ever do, and the matches run in is executed perfectly.

As I said, Michaels pulls it out with experience and having a crowd already invested in him before the bell even rings. He knows how to construct an exciting and perfectly paced match. I just wouldnt say he's comfortably the best in WWE today.

Ah, I misunderstood.

Nothing to add, as Mania was the first time I've watched WWE in about two years.
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I see what you're saying Euan. Jericho's work has been extremely impressive since his return to me too.

A Jericho/Edge or Jericho/Taker feud needs to happen. I would commence marking so hard...
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