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| Wrestlemania 25 Review; Yeah. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 7 2009, 08:26 PM (864 Views) | |
| Lance | Apr 7 2009, 08:26 PM Post #1 |
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Next time you get bored of your lives, gimme a call and I'll come round and KILL YOU.
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Money In The Bank You've got three shit workers (Kane, Shelton, Mark Henry), three mediocre to solid no-hopers (Christian, Kofi and MVP) and two decent ones (Punk and Finlay, who doesn't suit the match and won't win). There's no heat, no drama, no outstanding rising star to dispute the outcome. Furthermore, there's another hardcore match booked later in the evening, so all the big spots are out. Unsurprisingly, an illogical, uninteresting and generally shit match ensues, and the finish just proves that the WWE midcard is going nowhere. Jericho vs veterans This was built as well as possible. Snuka, who was a fucking atrocious wrestler in his prime, and Piper, who was never anything special and hasn't worked a good match in about twenty years, are eliminated quickly. We then get an agonising taste of what would have been a dream match had both Steamboat and Jericho been in their primes. From what I could tell, even the pig ignorant live crowd ate it up. This was always the greatness of Steamboat: to force you to invest your emotions in a match with a handful of bumps and subtle facial expressions. He does more at 56 years old with a knackered back in a ten minute handicap squash than any other worker on the active roster could dream of. Shame the blow-off with Rourke was bafflingly bad. Matt vs Jeff This was the worst match on the card in some ways, because it could have been superb. Matt's a solid wrestler with a reputation for getting the best out of a bad situation, Jeff has come on leaps and bounds in the past two years. Tell them to work a brother vs brother match and blade and send them out there. Instead we get this Sabu-lite bullshit, completely devoid of emotion or drama, with all the life sucked out of the spots because we've already had a ladder match on the card. Honestly, Axl Rotten vs Ian Rotten was 100 times better than this. The finish was great, though. The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels Fantastic. Akin to a 90s AJPW main event in structure: early exchange, build the story, spend the finishing stretch throwing and kicking out of bombs. All it needed was some stiffness, which the ridiculous Taker dive substituted for, some blood, which we didn't get, and a bit more brawling on the outside, and it would have been a classic. The count out spot was perfect and the Tombstone kick-out had me marking, not to mention the moonsault-into-Tombstone finish, which I guarantee will make vignettes for years to come. It's a shame this happened at WrestleMania, because not knowing who was going to win would have made this far better. I don't know what lengths they're going to have to go to next time to make people believe the streak is over, but it'll probably involve more fucking stupid announcing ("Is the streak over?!?!?") and, something we were spared here, that Tombstone-reversal that never works. Cena vs Edge vs Big Show Cena and Edge built this around Show quite well, establishing his dominance early on and making sure he remained the biggest threat. However I was still talking about Taker/Michaels at this stage and missed much of the action. The finish was what the feud needed, making sure Cena was the biggest piece of a puzzle that had made him look like an afterthought up to now. Not a great match but fun, I suppose. Triple H vs randy orton Hard to believe but I was still talking about Undertaker/Michaels by the time this match rolled around and was considering going to bed before the inevitable Triple H victory, so I don't have much to say about the match quality. Even so I was quite surprised by how viciously and comprehensively randy was put to the sword, with the punt-sledge-bludgeoning-Pedigree combo. The child-bearing-hipped one was so awesomely buried he lost his status as a proper noun. Overall It seems ages since I last watched wrestling, so it's surprising to see Edge still feuding with Cena, HBK still giving us the MOTN and Triple H prolonging an act that even seemingly to him got stale around the middle of this decade. Him and Vince and Shane running around as the top faces reminds me of when Kevin Nash was booking himself as the rebel champion in 2000, in that it's detatched from reality and actually a bit creepy. Not as creepy as the last incarnation of DX, so I suppose things are looking up. I haven't the faintest clue how Child Rock not only got onto this card but got to play his only song five times. I remember about ten years ago, even his fans were starting to cotton onto the fact he was at best a bad Lynyrd Skynyrd tribute act and at worst the jumped up wigger roadie everyone avoids at a rap gig because he smells like weed and groin sweat. Here we are in 2009 and WWE still thinks he's cool and hip and down with the kids. It's like getting a nu-metal album off your Uncle Vince for Christmas. None of this, other than the very good HBK/Taker match, makes me want to return as a viewer. It's not just my nostalgia: everything on this show was taking a step backwards. We'd either seen it all before or it was plain terrible. |
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| March Haire | Apr 7 2009, 10:15 PM Post #2 |
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Agreed on the bit where Taker/Michaels would have been better on a different card, but aside from the piss poor mark out announcing from Cole and the King, they did a fantastic job making it seem like Taker might just fall short. The count out spot was sublime; about as artistic as American wrestling gets these days. EVERYBODY in the arena thought that was it, though in retrospect Michaels praying for a countout makes little sense. When Trips tried to replicate it later in the night, nobody gave a fuck. In fact, the crowd only seemed to care when Shelton or Kofi were playing Spiderman, Steamboat was in the ring, or for the duration of Michaels/Taker. |
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| LAMB | Apr 7 2009, 10:41 PM Post #3 |
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That's why Taker/HBK should have been the Main event at Mania because after their match nobody gave a fuck, I know I didn't. It wasn't going to get topped and people knew that even before the match. Its worrying for things to come in WWE when two of the E's oldest performers who are basically broken down and winding down their career pull out a match that is far superior to anything else on the card. I think the streak will end eventually but until it does nobody will be more convincing in thinking it might than these two. Edited by LAMB, Apr 7 2009, 10:43 PM.
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| Doakey | Apr 8 2009, 12:49 PM Post #4 |
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It needed Knox. The MITB is the worst one to date. The sad thing is after a match like the one Taker/HBK put on, the streak will probably be ended by the likes of a Batista etc.etc.etc. Edited by Doakey, Apr 8 2009, 03:44 PM.
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| March Haire | Apr 10 2009, 03:33 PM Post #5 |
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To make it a bit convincing, I guess they could have taker defend the belt at Wrestlemania, maybe against a strongly booked Royal Rumble winner. |
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| Joker | Apr 10 2009, 06:33 PM Post #6 |
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I don't believe the streak will end, because I think Vince wants that to stay on Taker's resume till he retires. Secondly, if what everyone says is true, Hardy v. Hardy must've been a real disappointment. I haven't seen any of the matches, but everyone says it wasn't worth the time, and it was my 2nd most anticipated match of the card. I do think that WWE should go back to the drawing board, and reevaluate some of their talent, if the best match on the card was by 2 men that are past their prime, and the 2nd best involved a man who was 56 years old being the 3rd or 4th best worker of the evening. That's quite sad... |
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| March Haire | Apr 10 2009, 06:40 PM Post #7 |
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And yet WrestleMania 25 has the highest gate of any wrestling/mma card ever. Nothing will change. |
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| euanzooom | Apr 10 2009, 11:01 PM Post #8 |
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Pretty much bang on, Lance. Hardy's was abysmal. I don't see how this is the best WWE Sabu style match they could put on at all. They couldnt have a bit of blood to increase the feeling of intensity ? WWE doesnt like blood these days apparently yet Flair bled a week or two back so I'm not having it, even if it was an accident. They couldnt use weapons with a shred of meaning to it or a hint of emotion? Instead they performed some kind of ice cold, meaningless, art performance piece with props. They might as well have been doing synchronised swimming with kendo sticks. The match was booked wrong from the start. Shouldnt even have had a stip. Have a hot brawling start then cool it down into a keen wrestling contest as they try to one up each other and show who's better, then have it lose control with some big spots and bring weapons in actually making the weapons carry weight and importance. And have some blood. It's not rocket science, Matt has a body of very solid to decent wrestling in tv matches, in his locker, when worked right, and the crowd loves Jeff. Its well within creatives and Hardy's abilities to produce this. instead we get stupid ladder spots just after a MITB match. Great. Steamboat mutherfucking rocked, as he also did the next night on RAW, although why Jericho was wasted in this match is beyond me. Michaels v Undertaker was superb and I really cant fault it, although the standard WWE formula for main events of major finisher swappage wears a bit thin on me. Michaels offense usually lacks quite a bit these days but it didnt show here at all. Undertaker almost died as well with the suicide dive! HHH v Orton was a joke from beginning to end. Edited by euanzooom, Apr 10 2009, 11:05 PM.
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| Lance | Apr 13 2009, 12:00 AM Post #9 |
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Next time you get bored of your lives, gimme a call and I'll come round and KILL YOU.
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Michaels' offence has always been pretty poor. His finisher is a knock-out shot so he can't built to it, and he's not what you'd describe as a heavy-hitter. How he manages to have so many good matches is beyond me considering they have to work around this and the annoying nip-up spot that doesn't surprise anybody who doesn't have to concentrate on their breathing to survive. What was hilarious about Triple H/orton is everyone was sort of expecting a swerve because Tripper annihilating randy was so obvious and in-character. We got double-bluffed. |
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| Joker | Apr 13 2009, 06:55 PM Post #10 |
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Going back and finding some of the matches online, HBK/Taker was truly a classic. Cena/Show/Edge was meh, Vicki is still annoying being on my TV. Haven't had a chance to watch HHH/Orton or Hardyz yet.... As far as Michaels goes, he's great with ring psychology. I mean, its understandable that he has his signature spots that he hits, because the crowd loves them and whatnot, but he's so damn good at telling a story with his body, that it lends itself to having classic matches. Edited by Joker, Apr 13 2009, 06:57 PM.
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| euanzooom | Apr 14 2009, 12:28 AM Post #11 |
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I know, he's got fuck all up his arsenal, his striking is pretty mince, his inverted atomic drop is all kinds of bad, yet he still knows how to pace a match so as to draw the crowd in big meaning that the matches come over well. He's a bit of a strange case actually. I never saw Orton winning, no way.He's almost sure to take it at Backlash in my eyes, barring any major shake ups in the Draft that would signal otherwise. I reckon Batista may turn heel at Backlash. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2009, 03:13 AM Post #12 |
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All i wanna see is a Batista, Orton, and Cena faction...also maybe HHH finally beating Batista. John Cena has to beat Batista as well. You're all a bunch of phuckking marks too btw...bytch about every little thing a wrestler does, yet the next month u start prasing that wrestler and everyone follows. Phuckk it tho i guess its life behind a computer for you guys huh. |
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| March Haire | Apr 14 2009, 03:15 AM Post #13 |
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What wrestler did I bitch about then praise? |
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| King of Kings | Apr 14 2009, 03:20 AM Post #14 |
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Unless you're mentally projecting your thoughts through the net, or using a blackberry or something, you're sitting behind a computer too. And the term you're looking for is "smarks". "Marks" are the complete opposite. |
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| Joker | Apr 14 2009, 07:07 AM Post #15 |
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I've always admired Shawn's work. The man is a show unto himself. |
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| Don Carlos | Apr 14 2009, 05:06 PM Post #16 |
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He's easily the best in the company right now, and has been for some time. It doesn't matter to me that his offense is limited, because his biggest matches are constructed in a way that comes across as more believable through the use of bumps, appropriate over-selling and the ability to tell a story through the exchange of maneuvers and big-time spots with his opponents. Of course, it does help to be in the ring with someone who is just as much of a veteran as Shawn, in Mark Calloway, as they both should have an equal understanding as to what makes a great match at this point in their careers. They've been in so many big matches throughout the years, both alone and against each other, that I don't think they would have accepted anything less than what they gave the Houston crowd that night. The fans shouldn't have expected anything less, either. Both men are arguably better now than they ever were in their prime and that all comes down to veteran know-how, and the ability to connect with a live crowd in a way that few others have been able to do before or since. This is why I find it somewhat surprising that more people here weren't expecting the great performance that Michaels put on with 'Taker, as though he is capable of anything less. I mean, it's not like these guys have already put on one of the greatest matches in pro-wrestling history, or anything... I know I've said this a couple times already, but that match was the sole reason that I ordered the show. I expected greatness, and I now have it on my DVR until the end of days. Like Mary Tyler Moore, the event ended for me after this match, because considering what was left on the card by that point, there was no way to top such a classic bout. That match is one of the greatest that I've seen as it was actually happening, compared to most others that I've viewed through the use of internet downloads and/or VHS tapes & DVD's. |
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| LAMB | Apr 14 2009, 05:54 PM Post #17 |
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I think everybody was expecting great things just not as great as what they put on 10 + years ago..but we were proven wrong. I, for one, thought it would be amazing but didn't think it would be as good as it was loved it! |
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| Joker | Apr 15 2009, 01:35 AM Post #18 |
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What'd you think of Steamboat, Don? Good to see you back BTW |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2009, 05:24 AM Post #19 |
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Well, Kok, a smark would have to mean a smart mark and well let's face it you're just people who think you kno wat ur talking about which u think makes u smart but nah its tha complete opposite of smart. Anyways bullshytt to tha syde i was on coke yesterday so i was just blabbering anytthing that kame to mind so u phuckkas cant blame me for that but well since i said it i mite as well flow with it rite. Oh i am using a blackberry btw so aha i got ur ass on that one punk bytch. |
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| March Haire | Apr 15 2009, 05:59 AM Post #20 |
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Half of my posts are made right after I smoke meth. Your excuse is weak. |
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