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Will TNA still be around in 5 years?
Yes 5 (31.3%)
No 11 (68.8%)
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Will TNA still be around in 5 years?; RUSSO~!
Topic Started: Jul 3 2007, 02:40 PM (752 Views)
nascarsucks
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What do you think?
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March Haire
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No. And I think that their downfall could be a good thing for wrestling, overall. Hopefully in a few ways. Firstly, it'd free Samoa Joe and company, beefing up ROH. Secondly, it'd get rid of that godawful six sided ring and ever fucktarded gimmick match the company has come up with. Thirdly, it'd fufill that old adage that those who fail to learn from the past (WCW, lol) are doomed to repeat them.

Washed up people at the top? Check.
Talented guys stuck in the middle? Check.
Retarded storylines that nobody in their right mind would care about? Check.

Fourth...ly, there'd be no more Don West. Fifth, and most importantly, it'd do a fair job of dispersing people into new, improved environs. WWE's tag division could get a boost, if they wanted to sign the Dudley's for nostalgia and AMW for their sheer amounts of awesome...their midcard ranks could be bolstered by a returning Christian, Rhyno, ect. ROH wouldn't be at a loss for "name brand" guys, either. Then Jarrett or whoever can create a new fed that harkens back to Memphis, or Paul E. can swoop down and make a new style of fed or something.

I'm past the point where I'd like to see TNA suceed, because I think that ship has sailed. At this rate, I want the ship to sink, so we can see where we'd be in a few years without them.
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White_Roach
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No. I think that the only way to compete with WWE is to create your own niche becuase WWE has the sports entertainment thing down. I know this might sound weird, but I think the rise of MMA, in particualar the UFC, could open the market up for a product like Ring of Honor. I know this may sound weird, but most of the people I know who have gotten into Ring of Honor were people who didn't watch wrestling before and just watched MMA. Not only is RoH attracting wrestling fans to their product, they are creating more fans to professional wrestling with their product, something that hasn't been done in a decade.

IMO, if the RoH guys could get a good marketing program together and keep their shit together on the booking end, they could give WWE a run for their money in the next 5-10 years.
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No they wont be.
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Short answer is no. Long answer is hell no, and the day it dies I will go to Orlando and piss on its grave.
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"In my day, there used to be a wrestling promotion called TNA. And everyone who wasn't good enough for the 'A' promotion went there to take the spotlight away from the home grown wrestlers. And the ring had six sides instead of four, just like Mexican wrestling, which we called Lucha Libre. And one of the announcers would talk and talk until he became blue in the face and was gasping for air. And they were on a network that catered to homosexual men still in the closet called Spike TV. But they didn't cater to silly soap opera style, even though their writing staff had the quality of a $5 crack whore and well, it was very much like a soap opera anyway. But damn it, those were the days when nobodies could become mildly acknowledged nobodies and damn it, we liked it that way!"

"Okay, grandpa, eat your medication laced mashed potatoes."

"Ooooooo, mashed potatoes!"
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jerseyboybastard
Jul 3 2007, 11:33 PM
"In my day, there used to be a wrestling promotion called TNA. And everyone who wasn't good enough for the 'A' promotion went there to take the spotlight away from the home grown wrestlers. And the ring had six sides instead of four, just like Mexican wrestling, which we called Lucha Libre. And one of the announcers would talk and talk until he became blue in the face and was gasping for air. And they were on a network that catered to homosexual men still in the closet called Spike TV. But they didn't cater to silly soap opera style, even though their writing staff had the quality of a $5 crack whore and well, it was very much like a soap opera anyway. But damn it, those were the days when nobodies could become mildly acknowledged nobodies and damn it, we liked it that way!"

"Okay, grandpa, eat your medication laced mashed potatoes."

"Ooooooo, mashed potatoes!"

That was pure awesomeness right there. :lol:
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JimmyJackJericho
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Yes.
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jerseyboybastard
Jul 3 2007, 11:33 PM
"In my day, there used to be a wrestling promotion called TNA. And everyone who wasn't good enough for the 'A' promotion went there to take the spotlight away from the home grown wrestlers. And the ring had six sides instead of four, just like Mexican wrestling, which we called Lucha Libre. And one of the announcers would talk and talk until he became blue in the face and was gasping for air. And they were on a network that catered to homosexual men still in the closet called Spike TV. But they didn't cater to silly soap opera style, even though their writing staff had the quality of a $5 crack whore and well, it was very much like a soap opera anyway. But damn it, those were the days when nobodies could become mildly acknowledged nobodies and damn it, we liked it that way!"

"Okay, grandpa, eat your medication laced mashed potatoes."

"Ooooooo, mashed potatoes!"

I would hate to know that all my current experiences will one day become stories with no point. But it will happen.
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LAMB
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People said 5years ago that TNA wouldn't be around today but what do you know it's still here and bigger than it's ever been.

So i'll say Yes it will be around.
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"The memories of a man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime".

TnA will still be here. Trish may have retired from wrestling, but as long as she remains a fat cowgirl, it'll still go on.
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Albert's keeping the sprirt alive as we speak, knocking seven bells out of New Japan. I wish him well.
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Jul 4 2007, 03:54 AM
People said 5years ago that TNA wouldn't be around today but what do you know it's still here and bigger than it's ever been.

So i'll say Yes it will be around.

Although by all rights it shouldn't be.

As a promotion, it's failed on every level.
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My only concern is TNA becoming a martyr to the cause of ruining wrestling by taking shitty gimmick matches and white Ethiopian acrobats seriously, like ECW did with hardcore.
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TNA's issue is $$$. Their profits (yes, they are profiting now) are only minimal, I believe they're in low six figures a year.
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If they are profiting now, wouldn't this be the first year they're doing so? How are they earning low six figures when they book 10,000 seat arenas and only fill it in the low thousands?
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They're not turning a profit. It would be widely reported if they were.

So far, the million a month loss is looking about right, bearing in mind they've added no buys, got very little money from non-Orlando events, and now have to pay Kurt Angle as well.
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Attempting to look at it logistically, it's difficult to see how they're even losing money.

Here's what I know, myself:

Top salaries in TNA:

Kurt Angle-$650,000
Sting-$400,000-$500,000
Christian-Around $250,000

It's also been reported that the low end in TNA is about $15,000.

So I'm going to assume the average in TNA is about $75,000 for wrestlers.

$75,000 X around 50 = $3,750,000 per year for wrestlers, so I'm going to figure about the same for staff.

TNA payroll = $7,500,000

I remember hearing that a show with a 1.0 rating made about $50,000 a commercial set.

$50,000 X 4 commercial sets in a show = $200,000

Spike TV gets half = $100,000

X 52 = $5,200,000

PPV:

Approximate buys: 30,000 per show

Price: $30

Total per show: $900,000

PPV provider gets half: $450,000

X 12 = $5,400,000

So just on a basic level

TV: $5,200,000
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PPV: $5,400,000
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Payroll: $7,500,000
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Profit: $3,100,000 per year

I figure miscellaneous income (DVD sales, merchandise, sponsorships, etc.) canceled out miscellaneous expenses (travel costs, hotels, venue fees, etc.)

Makes no sense to me. I'd also like to see reporting that says TNA isn't making money, because I thought they were, marginally at least.

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God, this is going to turn into that "Is Cena a draw" thread all over again. I tap.
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There's money spent in making miscellaneous stuff as well, not to mention the costs of running a show.

I checked the website of the Nashville Municipal Auditorium, where Slammiversary was held, and here's what it says, on their end...

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Arena Floor: $3000 per day/preformance, or 12-1/2% of the gross box office receipts, whichever is greater.

Move In/Move Out: 50% of the base rental (I'm assuming the cost of the arena floor) per day, except for Friday and Saturday, then it's 100%

Labor Charge: $20 per hour, per man.

Clean Up Charge: $750 per day for Arena floor.

Power Charge: $200 for 400 amp service, $300 for 600 amp service, $100 for each 200 amp service.

Spotlight Rental: $100 per spotlight, per preformance.

House Sound: $500 per preformance.

Beam Clamps (???, but I'm assuming they're necessary): $10 per beam clamp, per preformance.

Catering: $1.00 per plate, or $250, whichever is greater.

Track Lights: $7 per light.

Forklift Rental: $300 per day, plus labor ($20, as stated above)

Novelties: Lessee will bay Lessor 25% of gross sales on programs, books, tee shirts, ect., Lessee will arrange and pay for services of sales staff.

Key Deposit: $5 per key.

Meeting Rooms: $100 per room, per day.

Insurance: Lessee must furnish liability insurance with a limit of not less than $1,000,000. (Then there's a lot of other bullshit that I don't want to type. Fucking flash site. I don't know if this gets paid back or not, but I guess if they set the roof on fire, they'd be fucked)

House Staff: Lessee pays for services of house staff, including ushers, ticket takers, security, police, first aid, and fire marshal.

Stagehands: Lessee pays for services of stage hands, spotlight opperators, riggers, ect. Must provide own. (Meaning that the cost varries. If I remember correctly, and I was on the financial board that approved it, it cost us $5,000 to hire stagehands, riggers, light opperators, and all that other bullshit for an event that drew 100 people. We were hoping for 500.)

Taxes: Lessee must pay all applicable taxes on event. State Amusement Tax: 9.5%. State Sales Tax: 9.5%. Local Business Tax: .25%.


I'd hate to guess, but the cost of running that show was pretty damn high compared to the number of poor people who were expecting to get in for free, as stated in some other thread. I know that this has no bearing on their overall finiancial status, but the only show they've booked outside of Orlando that's done well at the live gate was Lockdown in St. Louis, and that was just 1/2 full. They're booking themselves in places that they're nowhere near ready for, and that is costing them. Their audiance isn't exactly expanding, and when you take shows out of the iMPACT! zone, it costs them. I don't know how much they get/pay to Universal, but I suspect that they get a cut on merchandise or whatever tickets they sell.

TNA is being run in a haphazard manner right now...a weird cross between ECW in venturing out of home (only they filled arenas, because they booked smaller ones), and WCW during their Disney taping era. Neither model was a particular success, as ECW went out of business, and WCW was considered a joke at the time. Maybe they'll learn from their mistakes, but considering the crew running the ship and their history of running successful promotions (Poppa Jarrett being the exception, because I don't think he does much anymore), I don't think there's much hope.
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