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The Song Review Thread; Now Listening, but with added words
Topic Started: Mar 6 2007, 08:18 AM (14,832 Views)
March Haire
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Jun 17 2008, 10:44 PM
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Heaven and Hell is fantastic and is probably the 2ed best Sabbath album.

Sellout. You're like the Hillary Clinton of Black Sabbath fans.

Anyways, I gave another listen to all the original ones. First, the original album wasn't as good as I remembered. Second, have you listened to Greatest Hits: 1970-1978? That should provide some insight. At least or 11 songs from that are better than anything I listened to on Heaven and Hell.

I never, ever said that Heaven and Hell wasn't good.

Black Sabbath and Master of Reality, the 2ed and 3ed best albums of the Ozzy era, have too much filler. I haven't listened to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Vol. 4 in awhile, but Heaven and Hell totally outclasses it.

Don't bring Greatest Hit's packages into the equation, because it distorts things. "Oh man! The Wizard, Black Sabbath, Iron Man, and War Pigs...ON ONE DISC!" is hardly a good argument. It's like lining up all of Ozzy's solo hits and trying to comvince me that he wasn't basically shit after the 80's. Picking eleven cuts from a greatest hits record and saying that they're better than any of the eight on Heaven and Hell just isn't fair.

Other than what appears on the first three albums though, what is better than the title track? Just curious.
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Has this thread turned into "Who's the best Black Sabbath fan?"
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March Haire
Jun 17 2008, 11:00 PM
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Jun 17 2008, 10:44 PM
March Haire
Jun 16 2008, 09:57 PM
Heaven and Hell is fantastic and is probably the 2ed best Sabbath album.

Sellout. You're like the Hillary Clinton of Black Sabbath fans.

Anyways, I gave another listen to all the original ones. First, the original album wasn't as good as I remembered. Second, have you listened to Greatest Hits: 1970-1978? That should provide some insight. At least or 11 songs from that are better than anything I listened to on Heaven and Hell.

I never, ever said that Heaven and Hell wasn't good.

Black Sabbath and Master of Reality, the 2ed and 3ed best albums of the Ozzy era, have too much filler. I haven't listened to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Vol. 4 in awhile, but Heaven and Hell totally outclasses it.

Don't bring Greatest Hit's packages into the equation, because it distorts things. "Oh man! The Wizard, Black Sabbath, Iron Man, and War Pigs...ON ONE DISC!" is hardly a good argument. It's like lining up all of Ozzy's solo hits and trying to comvince me that he wasn't basically shit after the 80's. Picking eleven cuts from a greatest hits record and saying that they're better than any of the eight on Heaven and Hell just isn't fair.

Other than what appears on the first three albums though, what is better than the title track? Just curious.

Well, just my opinion personally, other than the first three albums:

Cornucopia
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Killing Yourself to Live
Hole in the Sky
Symptom of the Universe
Megalomania

I don't own Technical Ecstasy or Never Say Die.

The point I was trying to make with the Greatest Hits thing is that the best from Heaven and Hell isn't as good as the best from the others, its second-best isn't as good as the other second-bests, e.g. everything's a peg lower.
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I think you're wrong though, is the point I'm trying to make. "Heaven and Hell" is certainly a top-tier Sabbath song, no matter which way you slice it, "Neon Knights" is awesome, and the fucking song about a wishing well is great, too.

The only album that it's a peg lower than is Paranoid, but most albums are a peg lower than that.
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Jun 19 2008, 10:02 PM
I think you're wrong though, is the point I'm trying to make. "Heaven and Hell" is certainly a top-tier Sabbath song, no matter which way you slice it, "Neon Knights" is awesome, and the fucking song about a wishing well is great, too.

The only album that it's a peg lower than is Paranoid, but most albums are a peg lower than that.

Why? It's OK to agree to disagree, but I don't think I've gotten a good reason from either you or Of. Heaven and Hell (the song) annoys me. As a song, it's not like the stereotypical too-fast-for-me play that many of their other songs have, in fact, this one is too slow. My dislike from this song comes from the bass-only verses, save for Iommi coming in randomly sometimes. It sounds improvised. It doesn't flow. Also, it comes from Dio changing his pitch to the point where it's as though he's pleasuring himself, right in the middle of the chorus.
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Well, I haven't gotten any reason from Of, either, so I guess we're even.

Also, I love Dio. It might just be your hatred of Dio that prevents you from realizing how good Heaven and Hell is, even if you wouldn't put it above the Ozzy Sabbath albums.
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Jun 20 2008, 08:21 PM
Well, I haven't gotten any reason from Of, either, so I guess we're even.

Also, I love Dio. It might just be your hatred of Dio that prevents you from realizing how good Heaven and Hell is, even if you wouldn't put it above the Ozzy Sabbath albums.

I don't love Dio, honestly. I wish his vocals weren't so all over the place when Iommi and Butler aren't. What I liked about Ozzy was that it didn't sound like he tried to "steal the song". Of course, he made himself the focus at concerts because he was the most energetic member (and he's really good at getting a crowd energized), but because Dio's vocals are all over the place, and Iommi and Butler's chords aren't, it sounds like he's screaming "look at me, look at me, I'm sticking out like a sore thumb!"

Also, I never liked how just having Iommi made you Black Sabbath. From 1985 to 1991, Ozzy, Butler and Ward weren't in any of the lineups and they still used the Sabbath name (though that might be the record company's fault). Perhaps it's also because Sabbath had reunited by the time I had heard of them, and I was really into them by the time I was old enough to go to a concert.
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Bahaha, why should I even post my reasons? One of you brought up the Greatest Hits CD. Nascarsucks, that is the worst argument in the history of debating, going back to the beginning of time, and it took place in this very thread. There are certain cosmological theories, developed from the mathematics of quantum mechanics, Everett notwithstanding, that posit an infinite number of alternate universes, covering all possibilities. Every possible outcome of every event, everything we can imagine, and uncountable googleplexes of universes more strange and wonderful than we can imagine. Even if these theories are physically correct, nowhere in existence can that argument be taken seriously. It is the exception to the rule, and you accidentally discovered it. You should be proud of yourself. Fucking asshole.

You lose. Condolences.
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Metalingus by Alter Bridge

Also known as Edge's theme song.

Great song, and should follow Edge for the rest of his career like Shawn's music or Stone Cold's. Repetitive, but what wreslting music isn't? Great song. Love it.
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St Vincent - "Apocalypse Song"

<3

I feel like such a hipster for liking this song, or album, or girl, but it's so lovely. And I do crack a small smile every time she does breathing in thing in the middle of the song. Soooo cuuuute.
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Stephen Lynch - Waiting


Having only got into his work during these past summer months, I have still to check out all his past songs. However, if thisis any indication of the greatness of his next album then I cannot wait to hear it.
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Elvis Presley - In the Ghetto

Off of Elvis in Memphis. It's really odd how restrained this song is for the subject matter. There's bits about a boy buying a gun and stealing a car, learning how to fight, etc., but where this would be a badass rock song, Presley keeps calm. It's almost more startling that way. One of my favorite Presley songs.
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Once in a Lifetime - Talking Heads

HOLY SHIT.
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The Allman Brothers Band - "Come and Go Blues" (from "Brothers and Sisters") on the twirly, whirly, record spinnerybob.

OMG IT SPINS!!
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Phish - "Reba", live from when they did The White Album

MANMANMANMAN! I'm not (very) high, but this is beautiful. Suffers from quality in that it's a live recording, but JAM is delicious. I watched the Homer does weed episode this morning, and Phish's cameo made me wonder what they really are like. I downloaded the DSotM, Quadrophenia and White Album concerts, so far, so nice.
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Sheer Hellish Miasma (album) by Kevin Drumm.

Um, probably not a good introduction to Drumm. Interesting, innovative... intrusive. Annoying unless you're properly listening to it and not just having it on in the background, in which case it sounds like TV static or something.
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Jizz In My Pants - The Lonely Island.

L.O.L!
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APRIL 2nd!

Uh, How Do You Sleep? by John Lennon! How do you sleep, ya cunt? And review and shit.
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Voltaire - Zombie Prostitute

The lyrics got me the first time. There were a couple that were amazing. Immature, of course, but still the way they're sung is what does it. The accompanying music is odd, totally upbeat and almost folksy.

I grabbed her left breast, and I'm pretty sure I tore it
I said "go down", but she didn't have the stomach for it

Buck teeth fell out, and her tongue fell out to boot,
But all in all, she was a rotten kind'a cute.
While I was tense, it was plain to see
A sort of rigor mortis was comin' over me

I didn't want to see it, but I just had to believe it
I had a stiffy for the stiff in front'a me.

Morally, I'm destitute
In the Tomb of Ill repute
She's a rotten kind'a cute
For a Zombie Prostitute.


Now I'm fallin' apart from my head down to my toes, I don't know
Which of my organs is the next to go
I've been such a sleaze since she gave me the disease
Wouldn't you know, now I'm a Zombie Gigolo
I took my first client on a date
We took a walk to the cemetery gate
I got under her slip, but then, I heard a rip
I pulled it out, and I said..."baby, keep the tip"
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Screwed up.
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