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The Song Review Thread; Now Listening, but with added words
Topic Started: Mar 6 2007, 08:18 AM (14,833 Views)
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Jun 14 2008, 02:32 AM
You don't say "Metallica-esque" when it comes to the originator of the sound, Dale III. It'd be like saying that the Ramones were Green Day-esque or that the Rolling Stones are White Stripes-esque (or the Black Sabbath are insert-shitty-metal-band-here-esque (oh wait)).

Fact of the matter is that Black Sabbath were one of, if not the originators of metal. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, metal would exist if it weren't for the thunder-church-bell-sludge-guitar of "Black Sabbath," the harmonica of "The Wizard," or everything on Paranoid. Speed metal? Replace the hallucinogenics in a Sabbath song with cheap booze, play faster, and presto. Christ, Annoying Fag, it isn't like people go around christening different bands as the fathers of different sub-genres of punk music (other than New Wave), because splitting hairs fine enough where you go "Alright, these people took their influence from the Clash and these guys from the Sex Pistols and these ones from the Ramones" would be just fucking retarded.

You can't give credit to a band for creating something and then take it away by saying that they sound like another band WHO WASN'T EVEN FUCKING AROUND AT THE TIME.

Furthermore, if you want "speed metal," please refer to "Highway Star," courtesy of Deep Purple, or "Stone Cold Crazy" from Queen. Metallica, Megadeath, and Slayer took the leftovers from 70's bands (Highway Star opened up the album with Smoke on the Water, and Queen is Queen) and made a career out of it. Metallica formed in 81. Highway Star was 72.

Before that? Paranoid. See, oh, Ozzy-era Sabbath.

Please, fuck off to obscure stats land at ESPN if you're going to backtrack every time you say something retarded. You sound like a thick cunt.

Apologies if the way I phrased it upset ypu. Here's a simpler way to say it: Dio-era Sabbath produced a sound that was not as good as Ozzy-era Sabbath.

And Of, I gave another listen to three songs from Heaven and Hell: Title track, Neon Knights, and Die Young. I still think Dio sometimes sounds like a truck driver from Georgia and other times like a pre-pubescent, which only Bruce Dickinson can pull off. His voice just doesn't fit with the tone Iommi and Butler are playing. Another thing I noticed is that the songs lose a bit of rhythm in the Dio era, they're just hard to get into
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Hmm, I should have known you'd be susceptible to reverse psychology. It'll take a little longer than expected, but we'll get you there.

Trust me, I'm a doctor.
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Jun 11 2008, 11:21 AM
My friend purchased "The Carter III" yesterday, and it's fucking hot. The album is unlike anything Wayne has put out before, and you can really tell by the progression of the tracks and their accompanying style that he put everything he had into this record.

In short, it was definitely worth the wait. Best rap album since "The Documentary", and Lupe's "The Cool" ...

If you don't mind, Don, could you go into more detail on why you think this? Not that you're wrong, it's just that I listened to this album a few days ago and thought it was some disappointing stuff from Wayne. With maybe the exception of three songs.
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Don Carlos
Jun 11 2008, 11:21 AM
My friend purchased "The Carter III" yesterday, and it's fucking hot.  The album is unlike anything Wayne has put out before, and you can really tell by the progression of the tracks and their accompanying style that he put everything he had into this record.

In short, it was definitely worth the wait.  Best rap album since "The Documentary", and Lupe's "The Cool" ...

If you don't mind, Don, could you go into more detail on why you think this? Not that you're wrong, it's just that I listened to this album a few days ago and thought it was some disappointing stuff from Wayne. With maybe the exception of three songs.

Compared to the other albums of his that I've heard (not counting mix tapes), it's obvious that he put a lot more time and effort into the tracks and the progression of the mood throughout their placement on the album, and I appreciate the effort. The flow is consistent throughout, the lyrics are clever, the production value is of the highest quality that he's enlisted thus far, his delivery is perfect to the point that such an attribute completely separates him from any and all other potential imitators/competitors, and his progression from a Hot Boy into a skilled rapper simply cannot be ignored due to the content of it. I’m not saying it’s one of the all-time greatest, but it’s easily the best studio album that he’s put out to date.

I understand that such a long wait may have heightened your expectations, but I implore you to give it another listen. His brilliance is subtle and not easily recognized after the first go-around...

Of course, your opinion is just that, and I won't try to convince you otherwise, but still. Of the 2 discs that I listened to, there were only 3 tracks that I didn't care for out of 23; and honestly, that's the most important factor of all.
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Jun 14 2008, 04:54 PM
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Jun 14 2008, 11:24 AM
Don Carlos
Jun 11 2008, 11:21 AM
My friend purchased "The Carter III" yesterday, and it's fucking hot.  The album is unlike anything Wayne has put out before, and you can really tell by the progression of the tracks and their accompanying style that he put everything he had into this record.

In short, it was definitely worth the wait.  Best rap album since "The Documentary", and Lupe's "The Cool" ...

If you don't mind, Don, could you go into more detail on why you think this? Not that you're wrong, it's just that I listened to this album a few days ago and thought it was some disappointing stuff from Wayne. With maybe the exception of three songs.

Compared to the other albums of his that I've heard (not counting mix tapes), it's obvious that he put a lot more time and effort into the tracks and the progression of the mood throughout their placement on the album, and I appreciate the effort. The flow is consistent throughout, the lyrics are clever, the production value is of the highest quality that he's enlisted thus far, his delivery is perfect to the point that such an attribute completely separates him from any and all other potential imitators/competitors, and his progression from a Hot Boy into a skilled rapper simply cannot be ignored due to the content of it. I’m not saying it’s one of the all-time greatest, but it’s easily the best studio album that he’s put out to date.

I understand that such a long wait may have heightened your expectations, but I implore you to give it another listen. His brilliance is subtle and not easily recognized after the first go-around...

Of course, your opinion is just that, and I won't try to convince you otherwise, but still. Of the 2 discs that I listened to, there were only 3 tracks that I didn't care for out of 23; and honestly, that's the most important factor of all.

I've given each song at least three listens, and I know it's not a completely terrible album. I just didn't feel like it lived up to all the hype put around it. I liked The Carter 2 better, but I ultimately feel that Wayne shows his true lyricism in his mixtapes. Dedication 2 was great. Off The Carter 3, I like the tracks "You Ain't Got Nuthin" with Fabolous and Juelz Santana, "Shoot Me Down", "Mr. Carter" with Jay-Z, and "Let the Beat Build". The tracks "Phone Home" and "La La" are two of the most embarrasing songs I've ever heard and Busta Rhymes should be ashamed to partake in such garbage. Other than that, every other song is just forgettable to me. "Mrs. Officer" was a little below par, there was just something missing in that song. "Lollipop" is an overrated song and "Milli" has a very annoying beat to it that I just can't listen to Wayne's lyrics in it. But I will admit, while there is nothing else really to note about the track "Dr. Carter", the lyrics in that song were worth the listen.

P.S.: I know this is your opinion, and I respect that, but do you really feel this is on par with The Documentary and The Cool? Those albums had not one bad track on it.
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I listened to a bit of The Carter III today in my sister's ex-boyfriend's car while we got jacked on cheap scotch (Johnnie Walker Red) and weed before hustling some pool. Not bad. Actually, really good, considering most rap's startling predilection to suck Coward's dick.
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Jun 14 2008, 08:35 PM
I listened to a bit of The Carter III today in my sister's ex-boyfriend's car while we got jacked on cheap scotch (Johnnie Walker Red) and weed before hustling some pool. Not bad. Actually, really good, considering most rap's startling predilection to suck Coward's dick.

I never thought highly of The Carter III.

Oh, and grammar fail: It's Cowards'.
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Isn't it new?

Like I said: jacked on cheap booze.
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Isn't it new?


Sorry. Meant to say I never thought highly of Lil' Wayne.

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Fake Plastic Trees by Radiohead.


I swear to God, I listen to a lot of other bands, it just happens that when I'm on this site, I'm listening to Radiohead. Anyways, this song is so fucking beautiful, it sometimes makes me cry like a bitch.
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Chubbs @ Jun 14 2008
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I've given each song at least three listens, and I know it's not a completely terrible album. I just didn't feel like it lived up to all the hype put around it. I liked The Carter 2 better, but I ultimately feel that Wayne shows his true lyricism in his mixtapes. Dedication 2 was great. Off The Carter 3, I like the tracks "You Ain't Got Nuthin" with Fabolous and Juelz Santana, "Shoot Me Down", "Mr. Carter" with Jay-Z, and "Let the Beat Build". The tracks "Phone Home" and "La La" are two of the most embarrasing songs I've ever heard and Busta Rhymes should be ashamed to partake in such garbage. Other than that, every other song is just forgettable to me. "Mrs. Officer" was a little below par, there was just something missing in that song. "Lollipop" is an overrated song and "Milli" has a very annoying beat to it that I just can't listen to Wayne's lyrics in it. But I will admit, while there is nothing else really to note about the track "Dr. Carter", the lyrics in that song were worth the listen.

P.S.: I know this is your opinion, and I respect that, but do you really feel this is on par with The Documentary and The Cool? Those albums had not one bad track on it.


I completely understand how you could feel that this album may not have lived up to the hype, and in a lot of ways I figure that my excitement for the moment may have slightly overshadowed my opinion of it, but that is what makes music so great. It's all completely objective, and open to a number of interpretations by the different people who listen to it. In terms of effort, I do feel as though this album is on par with The Documentary and The Cool, because it is only a glimpse of what Wayne can become if he continues on this path, but I also understand where you're coming from in terms of comparisons, and I will grant you that the latter albums are/were better in terms of quality.

"You Ain't Got Nuthin" is my favorite track, and Juelz Santana's verse is just plain awesome. He completely owns Wayne on this song, and is beginning to come into his own, as well, which is always promising in the rap world. I actually like "A Milli" (second favorite track) & "Phone Home" (guilty pleasure; the beat is amazing), but "Mrs. Officer" is one of the three below-par (i.e. radio friendly) songs that I didn't care for. The others would be "Got Money" & "Comfortable", although "La La" is nothing special, either. I may not feel the exact way that you do about it, but again I understand your complaint. The favorite tracks that you listed are all favorites of mine, as well; although I would also add "Playing With Fire" & "Tie My Hands" to that list, because they're amazing songs. And even though I agree with you about the unspectacular beat for "Dr. Carter", I personally feel as though it was one of the best lyrically motivated songs on the entire album. He really shined on this one, for me...

So, yeah. Still a really great effort from the man, and I still feel as though this is his best studio album, but he does have room to improve on the next disc. In any case, the sky is the proverbial limit for him if he doesn't end up drinking himself to death with that syrup. Quick question, though; did you listen to the 7 additional tracks on the bonus disc? Most of those tracks should have been included on the actual album, because they would have only made it better ("Kush", "Gossip", etc.)
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Quick question, though; did you listen to the 7 additional tracks on the bonus disc?  Most of those tracks should have been included on the actual album, because they would have only made it better ("Kush", "Gossip", etc.)

If you're talking about The Leak, than yes I have. I didn't know there were seven tracks, but I listened to "Love Me or Hate Me", "Gossip", "I'm Me", "Kush", and "Talkin' About It". Replace some songs on the album with these and The Carter 3 would've gone up a good number of notches in my book.

Anyway, I'm just waiting for the new Nas and The Game albums. I have no doubt they'll satisfy. Not to mention Detox which should be on the way soon.
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Jun 14 2008, 04:30 PM
Hmm, I should have known you'd be susceptible to reverse psychology. It'll take a little longer than expected, but we'll get you there.

Trust me, I'm a doctor.

Heaven and Hell is fantastic and is probably the 2ed best Sabbath album. That's as high as I'll go though, because nothing on the album with the exception of maybe the title track matches the stuff on Paranoid.
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So, so close. You're progressing at a much better rate than nascar.
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Why not tell me why it's the best Sabbath album? Then I'll consider those points and move on from there.
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That would be cheating. Plus, it would make you feel stupid, and I've done enough of that sort of thing around here.
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Quick question, though; did you listen to the 7 additional tracks on the bonus disc?  Most of those tracks should have been included on the actual album, because they would have only made it better ("Kush", "Gossip", etc.)

If you're talking about The Leak, than yes I have. I didn't know there were seven tracks, but I listened to "Love Me or Hate Me", "Gossip", "I'm Me", "Kush", and "Talkin' About It". Replace some songs on the album with these and The Carter 3 would've gone up a good number of notches in my book.

Anyway, I'm just waiting for the new Nas and The Game albums. I have no doubt they'll satisfy. Not to mention Detox which should be on the way soon.

Agreed on all fronts. I'm especially anticipating LAX, because it's supposedly Game's last ever release, and if that's true I can only hope he goes out in style. And there are talks that Eminem is supposed to be putting out a new album sometime this winter, so don't expect Detox to drop until after that. Either way, everything is looking quite good for the rest of the year, so I've got no real complaints to register...
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Let me break it down like this. The Game is the shit. I will not and cannot deny his talent. However, Wayne is completely out of his league. I will personally qoute him. "The reason I rap slow and southern is because every breath, every consonant , every LETTER, is calculated and planned with precision." He means everything he says with so much conviction and passion that I feel sorry for people who don't appreciate him. While I won't knock anyones opinion, sometimes I feel that the ones who don't like him aren't smart enough or don't have enough patience to get him. Like Don said, some of his songs need an extra listen or two before it clicks in your head. This record not only met my expectations, it far exceeded them. I say best album since Eminem Show. Em smokes Wayne. I will admit that. Belated Happy Birthday to Pac. June 16th. RIP to the greatest of all time.
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Heaven and Hell is fantastic and is probably the 2ed best Sabbath album.

Sellout. You're like the Hillary Clinton of Black Sabbath fans.

Anyways, I gave another listen to all the original ones. First, the original album wasn't as good as I remembered. Second, have you listened to Greatest Hits: 1970-1978? That should provide some insight. At least or 11 songs from that are better than anything I listened to on Heaven and Hell.
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